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    the seannad from what i cans see,is basically a talking shop,for political appointees and intellectuals.it serves no real purpose,yet the 60 people in it get paid large sums of money,and expenses.i remember reading some time in the past about how dev tried to get rid of it.


    surely on the list of rips offs of the tax payer,this must be right up there?
    g\'wan bruff!!

    ``The answer is not heavy- handed regulations that crush the entrepreneurial spirit and risk- taking of American capitalism. That\'s what\'s made our economy great.\"
    -Barack Obama


    \"The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics\"
    -thomas sowell

    #2
    It's also a retirement home for TD's who loose their seat.
    Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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      #3
      On a wet day, it's a very cosy refuge.
      Hope Not Hate

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        #4


        whats the average wage for a senator does anyone know?
        g\'wan bruff!!

        ``The answer is not heavy- handed regulations that crush the entrepreneurial spirit and risk- taking of American capitalism. That\'s what\'s made our economy great.\"
        -Barack Obama


        \"The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics\"
        -thomas sowell

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          #5


          In theory, Seanad Éireann does not recognise party affiliations. However, as the electorate for the panels is made up of the Members of the incoming Dáil, the outgoing Seanad, county councils and county borough councils, the composition of Seanad Éireann, including the Taoiseach's nominees, will tend to reflect party strengths in Dáil Éireann. In practice, Senators will divide into groups supporting and opposing Government business when voting on issues. Furthermore, the Constitution provides that not more than two Senators may be members of the Government and this provision has been exercised twice in the last 60 years.


          Seanad Éireann normally meets on Wednesdays and Thursdays and its main business is the revising of legislation sent to it by Dáil Éireann. However, in recent years the Government has tended to make greater use of Seanad Éireann to initiate legislation. Seanad Éireann can initiate and revise legislation but under the Constitution its legislative role is restricted in that it cannot initiate Money Bill i.e. financial legislation, and can only make recommendations but not amendments to such Bills. The fact that a Dáil Bill must be examined also by Seanad Éireann is a safeguard against legislation being enacted too quickly. In addition to its legislative role, Seanad Éireann also debates important issues. Indeed, as the Government is constitutionally responsible to Dáil Éireann, Seanad Éireann can debate these issues with greater freedom because the fate of the Government will not be at stake. Moreover, Seanad Éireann cannot delay indefinitely legislation which has already been passed by Dáil Éireann and cannot initiate Bills to amend the Constitution.


          A typical working day for a Senator involves researching and preparing speeches for debates on social, economic and financial issues, drafting amendments to Bills and examining proposals for new legislation, contributing to debates on Bills and other important matters, voting on issues in the House and making representations on behalf of individuals and others to Government Ministers. In recent years, the setting up of a well organised system of Joint Committees (i.e. Committees of both Houses sitting and voting together) has resulted in Senators having additional opportunities to participate to an even greater extent in specialised parliamentary work in the areas of Foreign Affairs, European Affairs, Irish Language, State Enterprise, Women's Rights, Family matters, Sustainable Development and Small Business and Services. In addition to their parliamentary duties, Senators also make themselves available to assist members of the public who may require advice or guidance on matters relating to State administration. Senators will often be members of health boards, local authorities and VEC's and will frequently be called upon by the media to comment on current political issues and to participate in broadcast debates.





          Not as cushy as you think !
          "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too ?" - Douglas Adams

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            #6


            so the concise version of that is they talk about important stuff a lot,have practically no power and get paid a lot of taxpayers money!
            g\'wan bruff!!

            ``The answer is not heavy- handed regulations that crush the entrepreneurial spirit and risk- taking of American capitalism. That\'s what\'s made our economy great.\"
            -Barack Obama


            \"The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics\"
            -thomas sowell

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              #7
              I want to be one ! Everyone in UL vote for me.
              "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too ?" - Douglas Adams

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                #8
                screw that im putting my name forward for that u.l post!
                g\'wan bruff!!

                ``The answer is not heavy- handed regulations that crush the entrepreneurial spirit and risk- taking of American capitalism. That\'s what\'s made our economy great.\"
                -Barack Obama


                \"The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics\"
                -thomas sowell

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                  #9
                  Do UL have a vote, now?


                  i do...[img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]

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                    #10
                    you're right Bruffian. It's a bit of a joke alright. FF have continually stood in the way of Seanad reform though.

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                      #11


                      Originally posted by RobbieG
                      Do UL have a vote, now?


                      i do...[img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]

                      All graduates of Irish universities do, AFAIK.
                      "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too ?" - Douglas Adams

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                        #12


                        i think reform is uncalled for,out right abolishment would be more my line of thinking.new zealand were in the exact same position as us about 30 years ago,and just got rid of their senate
                        g\'wan bruff!!

                        ``The answer is not heavy- handed regulations that crush the entrepreneurial spirit and risk- taking of American capitalism. That\'s what\'s made our economy great.\"
                        -Barack Obama


                        \"The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics\"
                        -thomas sowell

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                          #13

                          Originally posted by jmccoy

                          Originally posted by RobbieG
                          Do UL have a vote, now?


                          i do...[img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]

                          All graduates of Irish universities do, AFAIK.
                          UL didn't have one before. Has that changed?

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                            #14
                            No vote for UL..

                            Seanad Éireann is composed of 60 Members as follows:
                            1. 11 nominated by the Taoiseach.
                            2. 43 elected by five panels representing vocational interests
                              namely, Culture and Education, Agriculture, Labour, Industry and
                              Commerce and Public Administration.
                            3. Six elected by the graduates of two universities: - three each by the National University of Ireland and the University of Dublin (Trinity College).


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                              #15
                              Originally posted by RobbieG
                              No vote for UL..

                              Seanad Éireann is composed of 60 Members as follows:
                              1. <LI>11 nominated by the Taoiseach.
                                <LI>43 elected by five panels representing vocational interests namely, Culture and Education, Agriculture, Labour, Industry and Commerce and Public Administration.
                                <LI>Six elected by the graduates of two universities: - three each by the National University of Ireland and the University of Dublin (Trinity College). </LI>




                              I stand corected !
                              "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too ?" - Douglas Adams

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