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    #16
    That could backfire as well. Going independent is a classic Dilly O'Wee trick. Get "kicked out" of the party a couple of months before the election. Top the poll as an independent and suddenly a few weeks later feel able to work with Fianna Failure again.
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      #17

      Originally posted by Bitter As A Lemon

      Let them go independant then, if they have done such a good job, they will get the votes.
      i'd agree with that. But i think the story is a bit of a red herring. The journalists would be more in their line looking at the widescale abuse of the expenses system by councillors. The money mentioned here is small fry in comparison to what is wasted through that.

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        #18
        Originally posted by beir bua
        Originally posted by Bitter As A Lemon


        Let them go independant then, if they have done such a good job, they will get the votes.

        i'd agree with that. But i think the story is a bit of a red herring. The journalists would be more in their line looking at the widescale abuse of the expenses system by councillors. The money mentioned here is small fry in comparison to what is wasted through that.

        Journalist look at expenses because they can through the freedom of information act and secondly it sells papers... Your right though, they are not looking at the big picture.

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          #19


          One of the jurno's for those 2 pieces is normally a staffer for the Clare Champion and he specialises in writing pieces that will cause debate.


          I had thought the pay off in 2000 was to be a once-off only done when they held local elections for the first time in yonks and it was the only way they could get the councilliors to agree to them happening.


          I would note the pay-off rate is double what most could expect from any good company redundancy. they're getting 20% of their annual payment per yr of service, normal enough payment would be closer to 10% (6 wks per yr is about 10%).


          I do think it's a bit rich to pay-off someone who's lost a county seat but still has a town council seat.


          The rates of payment those councilors get aren't terribly high though ~€8k for ennis council members, though if on the Co Co it's ~€17k and it appears there are counciliors double jobbing so they'd be on ~€25k in addition to whatever earnings their day job generates for them.


          I can see how people could get annoyed with the economy being in the state it is and knowing the councils have had their funding reduced as a result of the last budgets.
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            #20
            Jeez mack, who stole your ball!?? Less of the over reactionary name-calling if you don't mind.

            I am more than well aware of the work that councillors do. My dad was one for years and years - all unpaid and no expenses. Phone calls at midnight and hassle day in, day out for no thanks, so I do know what I am talking about.

            I also wish I had the "power" to "creat an embargo" on job recruitment in the public service! Chance would be a fine thing... Wow, thanks for creditting me with that! But let's stick to the issue in discussion...

            And the issue is not whether a councillor's income is their only income. That is not my problem or your problem either. I could say that about my current job, which is true. And I wouldn't get a handout if I decided to leave of my own accord. Surely you don't agree that should be allowed with councillors either?

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              #21
              We did not ask these idiots to apply for the job as Councillor. They choose to get elected and then unelected so why we as Taxpayers have any responsibility for their incompetence beats me. We pay rates on our business premises and I don't see why it is wasted on these feckers. Lenihan could just issue an edict in the morning and say the State can't afford it and these weasels would go ballistic. You will find the fingerprints of that b****x Mc Creevy behind these payments without doubt. The WORST Finance Minister in living memory who helped increase public Expenditure by 60% during his tenure in office. Thats some achievement along with Benchmarking which he introduced. This is just downright insulting but then this Government insults our intelligience all of the time.
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                #22


                Thousands of euros for guys who claim they are doing it for the good of their community. Quelle surprise
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                  #23
                  Have to agree with balla here...its small money and for some, not all councillors i might add, its scant reward for extremely hard workers...the money that is squandered on travel expenses is scandalous...and that goes for employees too, i know of people who make serious profit going on training courses...and are, or at least were, on courses on a regular basis...its practically a second income to some people
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                    #24


                    Originally posted by taz
                    Are these payments new or something? I thought they were around for years?




                    Brought in by Noel Dempsey (then Minister for Environment & Local Government) in 1998- the objective was to get rid of loads ofdead wood Councillors who had been in office for years and done SFA.


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