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    This just gets more and more ridiculous!![img]smileys/sad.gif[/img][img]smileys/mad.gif[/img]

    Councillors who lost seat in line for windfall</span>

    DEAGLÁN de BRÉADÚN, FIONA GARTLAND and GORDON DEEGAN

    GRATUITIES FOR LOST SEATS: 194 councillors to get over €3,500 per year since 2000

    ALMOST 200 councillors who lost their seats in the local elections are eligible for a retirement gratuity of €3,520.80 for every year of service since 2000.

    Tax is not deducted at source but the recipient is required to list the amount – which will be paid as a lump sum – on a self-assessment basis in his or her annual tax return.

    For members of city or county councils who served from 2000 but who stepped down or lost their seats at the recent local elections “the amount payable would be of the order of €32,000”, according to a spokesman for the Department of the Environment.

    “Someone who became a councillor in 1985 and has 24 years of unbroken service would receive of the order of €42,000.

    “Someone who became a councillor in 1979 and has 30 years of unbroken service would be paid of the order of €46,000.

    “These calculations are based on county/city councillors, the level for town councillors is significantly lower,” the spokesman added.

    There is also a lower rate for service prior to 2000.

    A total of 194 councillors lost their seats in last Friday’s local elections.

    Some 96 of these were Fianna Fáil councillors, 36 Fine Gael, 25 Independents, 13 Greens, nine Sinn Féin, three Labour and two Others. One high-profile casualty was Fianna Fáil’s Maurice Ahern, who was first elected to Dublin City Council in 1999, and should be eligible for a minimum lump sum of approximately €32,000.

    Those with shorter service include Green Party’s Niall Ó Brolcháin, who was elected to Galway City Council in 2004.

    He has now lost his seat, and should be eligible for a retirement payment of approximately €17,600.

    The gratuity is calculated at the rate of 4/20ths of a councillor’s representational payment (on retirement) for each year of service from May 2000 up to a maximum 20 years, with a requirement for a minimum of two years’ service.

    Subject to certain conditions, the gratuity is payable on a councillor’s retirement “whether voluntary, or due to failure to be elected, death or ill health”.

    Representational Payments to councillors as of September 1st, 2008, were as follows: City or County Councils, €17,604; Borough Councils and Athlone, Bray, Dundalk, Ennis and Tralee Town Councils, €8,802; members of other town councils are paid within a range of €4,401 and €2,401.

    The spokesman said funds for the gratuity are provided by the local authorities who make provision for it in their estimates and he was not aware of any question of the money not being paid out.

    However, it is believed that the €250,000 fund set aside by Clare County Council is not likely to be enough to meet the pay-offs required for nine outgoing members who will not be part of the new 32-member council.

    Of the five councillors who failed to get re-elected in Clare, outgoing Fianna Fáil councillor, Peter Considine is set to receive the highest amount of more than €35,000 having served as a councillor since 1991 (after a brief spell previously in 1974).

    Cllr Considine remains on Ennis Town Council.

    Fianna Fáil councillor Tom Prendeville, who lost out in the Kilrush electoral area but was re-elected to Kilrush Town Council, can expect a gratuity in excess of €35,000 after serving on the county council for 18 years.

    Fianna Fáil councillor Bernard Hanrahan, who lost out in Ennis East, became a member of Clare County Council in 1995 and can also expect a gratuity in excess of €30,000.

    This article appears in the print edition of the Irish Times

    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw



    #2

    Losing councillors get golden handshakes of up to €51,000</span>

    By Mary Regan and Gordon Deegan

    Thursday, June 11, 2009

    COUNCILLORS who lost their seats in last week’s elections will be entitled to golden handshakes of up to €51,000 amounting to a bill of €6 million for the taxpayer.

    Maurice Ahern, brother of the former Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, is entitled to a lump sum payment of €32,000 after losing his seat in Dublin City Council while also failing to get elected to the Dáil in the Dublin Central by-election.

    Councillors who retired and decided not to contest a seat will also get the compensation payments which amount to €3,520 per year of service for those who worked as councillors since 2000 and €716 a year for up two 20 years previous to that.

    A total of 194 councillors lost their seats in last week’s elections – 96 from Fianna Fáil, 36 from Fine Gael, 25 independents, 13 Greens, three from Labour and nine Sinn Féin councillors.

    The Green Party’s Niall O Brolcháin who lost his seat on Galway City Council will get a one-off payment of around €17,600 as will all of those elected in 2004 but failed to hold their seats.

    Councillors with 40 years of unbroken experience are entitled to €51,000 of what is called the "retirement gratuity" fund, those with 30 years of service would get €46,000.

    Funds for the payment are provided through individual local authorities who make provisions for it in their annual budgets.

    It has emerged that the €250,000 fund set aside by Clare County Council for councillors who did not get re-elected in the local elections is not likely to be enough to meet the pay-offs required for nine councillors who will not be part of the new 32-member council.

    In its budget for 2009, the council set aside the fund for a "golden handshake" for councillors who retired or failed to recapture their seat in the elections.

    However, the payout to four retiring councillors and an additional five sitting councillors who failed to get re-elected is likely to eclipse the €250,000 fund.

    The Clare situation could be repeated across other local authorities and depends on how many sitting councillors did not return.



    This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Thursday, June 11, 2009

    Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/losin...ors-get-golden -handshakes-of-up-to-euro51000-93864.html#ixzz0I7tahSOl&amp; C
    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw


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      #3
      And you get this if you decide NOT to run for election! In other words, you leave your "job" and you get this payment also...

      Sweet mother of Jesus, I am winding up my company, going to work as a public/civil servant, running for election, and sitting back and smelling the roses...
      The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw


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        #4

        Originally posted by SecondRowGal
        And you get this if you decide NOT to run for election! In other words, you leave your "job" and you get this payment also...

        Sweet mother of Jesus, I am winding up my company, going to work as a public/civil servant, running for election, and sitting back and smelling the roses...
        I don't think it's that bad, is it? A lot of these would be people who don't have another income. And if they were on the council a long time, it's likely that they worked pretty hard during their time. The amounts mentioned don't sound like too much to me.

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          #5
          Oh come on bb, it's ridiculous! I personally don't know any councillors who don't have their own job/income as well as working on the council. There may well be some but it's voluntary and you get paid to do it while you are there. Job done as far as I am concerned.

          And as for getting paid when they decide to step down or not to run - how many people on here would get paid by their employers if they left their job voluntarily?
          The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw


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            #6
            I think it’s ridiculous as well, they are extremely well paid and for many it is a part time job. A council the size of <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas:c&#111;ntacts" /><ST1:GIVENNAME w:st="&#111;n">Clare</ST1:GIVENNAME> having to pay over €250,000 is a ridiculous waste of money. I'm sure there are plenty of potholes that could be filled with that money etc……

            I’m sure there are plenty of other inefficiencies which should be ironed out as well but you have to start somewhere……


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              #7
              Are these payments new or something? I thought they were around for years?

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                #8

                Originally posted by SecondRowGal
                Oh come on bb, it's ridiculous! I personally don't know any councillors who don't have their own job/income as well as working on the council. There may well be some but it's voluntary and you get paid to do it while you are there. Job done as far as I am concerned.

                And as for getting paid when they decide to step down or not to run - how many people on here would get paid by their employers if they left their job voluntarily?
                going through Limerick city council (the only one i'd be familiar with), there's quite a few who work solely as public representatives. And I wouldn't begrudge the long-standing ones the money that's mentioned there I have to say. I'd have other issues with councillors pay, but not this particular one.

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                  #9


                  Posted this yesterday[img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]


                  Crazy money. I also think I read that first time elected councillers get something like 26k?
                  Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by SecondRowGal
                    Oh come on bb, it's ridiculous!  I personally don't know any councillors who don't have their own job/income as well as working on the council.  There may well be some but it's voluntary and you get paid to do it while you are there.  Job done as far as I am concerned.And as for getting paid when they decide to step down or not to run - how many people on here would get paid by their employers if they left their job voluntarily?
                    Your a f****** facist . Its too late for you to join the Public /civil service because right wingers like you and IBEC have created a recruitment embargo in the public service.
                    As regards Cllrs I know several whose only income was from their council seats. Considering the work they have to put in when compared to TD's they deserve every penny.
                    Get off the anti public service bandwagon. Things in this country will get a lot worse if the constant targetting of the Public service , education and social welfare continues.
                    We'll engrave your name in gold, as we did in days of old.
                    Roll along lovely Axel, roll along.

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                      #11
                      But OTT there Mack, cool the jets, it does seem a ridiculous payment, when some people are losing their jobs, getting no redundancy at all.

                      These people lost their jobs, because they are not doing a good job....why reward them for it?

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                        #12
                        Jaysus someone's have a bad day. With Bitter on this. If they fail to get elected why reward them....
                        Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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                          #13
                          A lot of it is anti government voting.
                          We'll engrave your name in gold, as we did in days of old.
                          Roll along lovely Axel, roll along.

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                            #14


                            Let them go independant then, if they have done such a good job, they will get the votes.

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                              #15
                              Indeed why should the tax payer have to cough up money for someone who picked the wrong party or failed to influence their party?
                              Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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