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    The (new) War On Terror


    Can't believe that this hasn't been posted before. The United States of Bush has opened up another front in their war on an abstract noun. Not content with piss-poor 'results' in Afghanistan and Iraq (Part Deux) they have yet again launched an attack on another soverign nation. Once more a nation of small brown people are being bombed by the most militant force on earth. Are we watching the genesis of WWIII? Bush and Bliar appear content to ride roughshod over diplomacy in the pursuit of their place in history. It may not be comparable with the Third Reich annexing mostr of Eastern/Central Europe but the list of countries that have suffered from America aggression must be as long as Bao Xinshun's arm.

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    Here in the Banka-Jiira area, which is the largest grazing area in the Juba Valley region, we have been hard hit.
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    The most unfortunate incident was an attack on a big wedding ceremony.
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    Very many livestock have been killed by the bombs
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    The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

    #2
    See he plans on sending another 25 thousand troops to Iraq and spend 6 billion dollars on helping Iraq defend itself from it's internal and external foe.
    Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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      #3
      Not if Nancy Pilosi gets her way according to the news.
      The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

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        #4
        Well she did not say no just that he will have to justify it. Going on his record so far on producing proof to suit his requirements I would not put it past him to get his way. However it will be a strange feeling for Bush to actually try and ask for something rather then taking.
        Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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          #5


          I wouldn't describe Somalia as 'sovereign' myself, but that's not really the point.The situation in Somalia is a desperately sad and long running one, and these buzzcut morons bombing the bejaysus out of the southern border area will do nothing to improve it. If the attacks were a response to the embassy bombings they sure took their sweet time exacting their revenge.


          Wrt the 25,000 extra troops, I don't see any other option for Bush if he wishes toget himself out of this chasm that he's dug for himself. Although I can't help thinking we're seeing the genesis of Vietnam MkII. Conscription anyone?
          "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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            #6
            The incoming somali "government" will now probably be seen as puppets for voicing their approval of what the americans are doing. More recruits for the islamists who will probably regroup a la the taliban. The timing is terrible but then it seems that they were just waiting for the rabbit to stick its head out of the burrow so to speak.
            Grandpa Simpson: The last time the meteors came, we thought the sky was on fire. Naturally, we blamed the Irish. We hanged more \'n a few.

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              #7
              The Daily Show on More4 is now "discussing" this.

              Homeland Security Spokesperson asked about why Osama hasn't been captured replied "I'm not sure that's a success that hasn't happened yet!".

              John Stewart- " America bombing a country so poor that it's charity ads are aired in Ethiopia!".
              The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

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                #8


                Thought I had read some where recently that middle America was in a sweat because conscription had raised it's head again. Believe it is still on the statute books just not used for a while.


                The incoming Somali "government" are just a bunch of war lords, the same ones driven out by the Islamic front which they created by their oppression of their own people. Some allies for Mr. Bush[img]smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif[/img]
                Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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                  #9



                  <H1>New deployment marks last throw of dice for Bush</H1>




                  · President gambles on new troops to stabilise Iraq
                  · US forces to focus efforts on Shia death squads

                  Ewen MacAskill and Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
                  Thursday January 11, 2007
                  The Guardian


                  <DIV id=GuardianArticle>George Bush made what amounts to a last throw of the dice in Iraq last night by announcing a new deployment of US troops, despite widespread scepticism about their chances of stabilising the increasingly turbulent country.


                  White House officials, in briefings ahead of President Bush's televised address last night, said he would acknowledge that mistakes had been made in the conduct of the four-year-old conflict. Primarily, these were failing to send in enough troops to secure Iraq in 2003, and adhering to rules of engagement that were not robust enough to deal with the subsequent sectarian violence.


                  In a change of strategy, US administration sources said American forces, working with the Iraqi army, would seek to tackle Shia Muslim death squads and militia, which have been relatively immune until now - enjoying the effective protection of the Shia-led Iraqi government.


                  With opposition to the war growing in the US and only two years of his presidency left, Mr Bush has limited time left to turn Iraq round. A senior administration official said the US commitment was not open-ended, stressing: "The patience of the American people is not unlimited."


                  He said Mr Bush had been promised by Iraq's prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, that the army and police would tackle sectarian violence and other disputes contributing to the violence. But no timetable had been set for him to fulfil his promises.


                  Most of the 21,500 US reinforcements are to be deployed in trying to secure the capital, which is suffering from increased sectarian killings. The official said 80% of the violence took place within a 30-mile radius of Baghdad. The remainder of the new force - about 4,000 marines - are to be sent to Anbar province, one of the main centres of insurgency.


                  US soldiers and marines already in Iraq will be told they will have to extend their year-long tour of duty by three to four months, and there will be a call-up of the National Guard and army reservists.


                  The first of the five new brigades - about 3,000 to 4,000 troops - is due to begin arriving in the next few weeks and the next in the middle of February. The soldiers going to Baghdad will be sent to nine districts including, crucially, Shia areas - an acknowledgement finally of the need to tackle sectarian violence. Until now, US forces have tended to look on while Shia death squads have taken revenge on Sunni Muslims.


                  The US rules of engagement are to be changed to let troops take more vigorous action in places such as Sadr City, a Shia slum. This could put them in direct confrontation with the Mahdi Army militia of the firebrand cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.


                  Mr Bush's gamble is politically risky, taken in the face of opposition from within the military and from the Democratic-led Congress. The Democrats plan to hold a Congress vote next week, expressing opposition to the troop increases, and expect some Republicans to back them.


                  The president rejected a bipartisan plan put forward last month by the Iraq Study Group, led by James Baker, the former secretary of state, that called for a phased withdrawal.


                  Besides the reinforcements, the administration is to put an extra $1bn (£517m) in aid into Iraq to assist job creation and reconstruction. However, the problem over the past four years has not been lack of funds but lack of security for workers.


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                    They are f**ked. You'd understand the increase in troop levels if they were being sent in to secure withdrawal - safe departure will always demand a short term increase in troops because as soon as you announce you're offski everyone with anything bigger than a spudgun starts taking potshots at you.


                    But if they really think they're going to get a different outcome through the continued pursuit of the same strategy they've adopted up to now, they're delusional.


                    He's buying time because he can't admit failure - and the democrats will be very careful. I don't think they'll block the increased numbers, as that will allow Bush to say "well, if the Democrats had given us the additional troops, it would all have been different".


                    The horrible, horrible thing about this situation is that there is no solution that will avoid massive loss of Iraqi civilian life. Which is why most right thinking people opposed the war in the first place.
                    "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                    "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                    "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                      #11
                      Indeed was listening to some member of the Centre of Stratigic Studies based in London this morning. His assessment of the situation "immediate withdrawl of all coalition of the willing before a disaster strikes" Asked about what will happen in Iraq then he said that he prefered not to think about that. What ever happens next an awful lot of Iraqi civilians are going to die....
                      Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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                        #12
                        This business about it being a last throw of the dice for Bush is worng because much of the US is so mis-informed about the Iraq mis-adventure that it is beyond belief.

                        Americans generally will believe any s**t that that their government tell them.

                        Even the supposedly educated ones have this strange blind spot when it comes to the word from the government. They are so wedded to the idea of the greatness of American democracy that the idea that their president is a retard and that he's henchmen are lying mendacious machaevillian c**ts is impossible for them to accept.

                        It is amazing how many of then believe things like:

                        Oasam and Saddam were best of buddies
                        Ths US is constantly under attack (150 time since 911 - according to that c**t O'Reilley)
                        Baghdad is safer, ie ther is less crime, than Washington DC
                        We are still in Europe 60 years after WW2, this was to be expected.


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                          #13
                          I was talking to a guy in Amsterdam a few months back who was just back from Iraq (he was a driver or something with the army) and he said to me that Somalia was the next target for America cause when he asked us we all thought america would go after Iran next. Looks like he was right, there must obviously be a hell of a lot of activity happening there

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                            Originally posted by Kerry-Exile
                            I was talking to a guy in Amsterdam a few months back who was just back from Iraq (he was a driver or something with the army) and he said to me that Somalia was the next target for America cause when he asked us we all thought america would go after Iran next. Looks like he was right, there must obviously be a hell of a lot of activity happening there

                            Obviously. They'd never attack a country that wasn't crawling with terroristic islamist axis-of-evilists.


                            They didn't go after Iran because they don't have enough resources to do it without getting their arses kicked again. Which is why Iran's nut job of a president is dancing around the world stage waving his wadger at them.
                            "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                            "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                            "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                              #15


                              Bush is a megalomaniac. This in itself is not dangerous. What seperates Bush from the rest is plainstupidity. Now stupidity doesn't imply lack of intelligence though I'm fairly certain his ability to solve a cryptic crossword (unlike Clinton) would be found to be wanting. Even the dog in the street knows the war in Iraq served or serves no purpose but because of his megalomania and stupidity he persists in pursuing a pointless war. His purpose to rid the world of terrorism is a subterfuge. His main reason for this idiotic war is to feed his megalomania. His stupidity prevents him from seeing the wood for the trees.

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