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    New Zealand: 15 Leon MacDonald, 14 Joe Rokocoko, 13 Mils Muliaina, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Byron Kelleher, 8 Rodney So'oialo, 7 Richie McCaw (captain), 6 Jerry Collins, 5 Ali Williams, 4 Chris Jack, 3 Carl Hayman, 2 Keven Mealamu, 1 Tony Woodcock.
    <STR&#079;NG nd="16">Replacements:[/b] 16 Andrew Hore, 17 Neemia Tialata, 18 Jason Eaton, 19 Chris Masoe, 20 Andy Ellis, 21 Nick Evans, 22 Luke McAlister


    No Mauger,Gear or Oliver in 22


    Though Henry said wants to give Evans and Hore some game time
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    Any of their 3 sides would make impressive reading to be honest - but as we say in the best Munsterfans tradition


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      #3


      I have never seen a side dominate like these All Blacks dominate. It is true that the teams they have beaten in the last two weeks are low on confidence and it is confidence and belief that any team needs in abundance to beat these All Blacks (only Ireland have this belief at the moment) but from numbers 1 - 15 the NZers look bigger, stronger, faster and, of course, much more skillful. They even have much more mongrel in the team than anyone else - they don't just look hungry, they look starving!


      You could say that without POC or O'Driscoll Ireland tend to lose...last years AI's for example.NZ have a back up that will in no way weaken their team for every position
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        Stunning that he decided to go with Nonu at 12. Nonu has no kicking game and is not really a 2nd 5 8's in the classic mold of a Mauger/McAllister. If Betsen can apply real pressure on Carter, then the NZ game may lose some shape.


        NZ have superb athletes in all positions, and a philosphy that basically encourages them to play what is in front of them and not play field position. To be competitive, you either deny them quality posession, or put them under real pressure at pt. of contact and at speed.


        Denying them posession isn't easy now that they have improved their lineout. Their scrum is the strongest in the game, but their lineout has been poor and still may be vulnerable given the lack of a genuine, proven 3rd option at the back. They lost 6/7 throws against the best lineout in the game (Matfield, Botha), and lost the game as a a result.


        I also believe that opposition defenses are just going to have to vary their defensive scheme (drift and push up/umbrella) to deny space, time and create some hesitancy in the mind of the decision makers in the ABs (half backs- midfield).


        ...and then there is the problem of breaking the AB defsne down. They have the most physical drift defnse with the fastest line speed I have seen. They murdered France, who literally had no clue how to break it down under than garryowens and the maul. IMO, France and everyone else must commit more players to the breakdown to secure qucik ball, and spread it away from contact. The AB backrow have been monstering everyone close in... but Quick balls kills... anyone.


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          #5
          I doubt that anyone truly believes NOnu is the first choice No.12. Henry &amp; Co. know what Mauger/McAllister can do.. it's worth taking another look at 12!

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            #6


            If Betsen can apply pressure to Carter...i doubt is seriously.He is a bit past it and has anyone really disrupted Carter in the last year.


            Agree re Nonu...but McCallister can come on if it gets rough
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              #7


              I couldn't understand Nonu at 13 against England, because he's a crash dummy. Maybe Henry wants to set up midfield platforms, rather than relying so much on clearing the lines andcounter attacking. Just a thought. But his defence against England was awful, so maybe the French can slice and dice through there. How long is Nyanga out for? The French need him bad. I prefer Elissalde at 9.

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                #8
                I think Nonu is absolutely brilliant. SO strong and fast. Whydoes he need a kicking game when he can run straight through you instead? Would be in my NZ starting 15 without doubt.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by shtove


                  I couldn't understand Nonu at 13 against England, because he's a crash dummy. Maybe Henry wants to set up midfield platforms, rather than relying so much on clearing the lines andcounter attacking. Just a thought. But his defence against England was awful, so maybe the French can slice and dice through there. How long is Nyanga out for? The French need him bad. I prefer Elissalde at 9.


                  Nyanga played on the weekend for Toulouse
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                    #10

                    Originally posted by sewa
                    I think Nonu is absolutely brilliant. SO strong and fast. Whydoes he need a kicking game when he can run straight through you instead? Would be in my NZ starting 15 without doubt.
                    Exactly, I don't see why Henry wouldn't start him, Nonu is pretty damn awesome when he's having a good day.
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                      #11


                      Originally posted by wayen
                      Originally posted by sewa
                      I think Nonu is absolutely brilliant. SO strong and fast. Whydoes he need a kicking game when he can run straight through you instead? Would be in my NZ starting 15 without doubt.
                      Exactly, I don't see why Henry wouldn't start him, Nonu is pretty damn awesome when he's having a good day.

                      Notdisputing that Nonu isn't a devastating runner of the ball (although one could argue that he is a bit of a flat track bully), but there are other attributes required of the position as defined by Henry himself. That's why it is puzzling.


                      Henry has stated that he wants his No 12 to have a good kicking game (Nonu doesn't have one) and to be a strong distributor of the ball (not a Nonu strength and he plays as a winger for Wellington's NPC team). In NZ, I suppose they call the No 12 a 2nd 5/8 for a reason.In addition, the No. 12 is traditionally the individual who leads the defensive line. Nonu has been citicized forhis lack of accuracy in the tackle as he likes to make the big hit.


                      It's always odd that Henry has picked a relatively inexperienced midfield - theynever have played together as a combnination and Nonu has never started in a black shirt at 12. Henry is quoted on the BBC site as saying of Nonu "He gets the opportunity of being number one at 12 which I think is his best position," and. "He would need time on the field to improve. He's got the opportunity on Saturday."


                      Anyway, interesting stuff.

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                        #12
                        I thought that NOnu was badly exposed by O'Driscoll in the 1st test
                        against NZ in the summer. His defence would not seem up to all
                        black standard. He is a very powerful runner though &amp; I can see why
                        they would try him out. perhaps they'll be a variation in tactics for
                        Paris game.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by 123UCG


                          Isnipped...They even have much more mongrel in the team than anyone else - they don't just look hungry, they look starving!


                          You could say that without POC or O'Driscoll Ireland tend to lose...last years AI's for example.NZ have a back up that will in no way weaken their team for every position



                          There is such competition for places at neary every position now that it requires players to produce week in and week out. There is almost no drop-off in performance irresepctive of who is thrown in there.


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                            #14
                            After stuart barnes' video analysis of Nonu's culpability in BOD's try during the summer there's a general feeling that his defence is suspect. I think too much is being made of that, he's not the greatest but no mug either. Besides, last week in Lyon, France made 2 clear line breaks during the game and they were both from McAlister missed tackles. the cover defence was so quick across that the AB's could afford a few of those in a game.

                            I think this side has been picked specifically to play Fra and not necessarily as a 1st XV. 3 of the 7 NZ tries last week came from midfield line break and offload and it looks to me that playing Nonu in the position is an attempt to work that formula again. Nonu is probably the best line-breaker in the AB's and will have support runners left and right when he gets the ball.

                            Muliaina has a good kicking game so a skipped pass or temp positional switch means Carter still has the tactical kick backup. I think it's a smart move and a great time to experiment.

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                              France overhaul for Paris<!-</A>->
                              <H3 =posted>Wednesday 15 November 2006</H3>
                              <DIV =storyc&#111;ntent>


                              The 47-3 pounding France took against New Zealand has forced coach Bernard Laporte to make seven changes for the second Test at the Stade de France.<A id=more-3620></A>


                              With captain Fabien Pelous injured, Castres lock Lionel Nallet will earn his 19th cap while Raphael Ibanez, in for Dimitri Szarzewski, will look to remedy their dire showing in the lineouts in Lyon.


                              Prop Sylvain Marconnet, destroyed by Carl Hayman in the first Test, is replaced by Olivier Milloud and Remy Martin starts at blindside flank.


                              Serge Betsen, earlier tipped to start at openside flank, has to be content with a spot on the bench.


                              In the backline, Jean-Baptiste Elissalde has replaced Dimitri Yachvilli at scrumhalf and Cedric Heymans earns a recall on the wing.


                              France: 15 Pepito Elhorga, 14 Aurelien Rougerie, 13 Florian Fritz, 12 Yannick Jauzion, 11 Cedric Heymans, 10 Damien Traille, 9 Jean-Baptiste Elissalde, 8 Elvis Vermeulen, 7 Remy Martin, 6 Julien Bonnaire, 5 Pascal Pape, 4 Lionel Nallet, 3 Pieter de Villiers, 2 Raphael Ibanez (captain), 1 Olivier Milloud.
                              Replacements: 16 Dimitri Szarzewski, 17 Sylvain Marconnet, 18 Loic Jacquet, 19 Serge Betsen, 20 Dimitri Yachvili, 21 David Marty, 22 Christophe Dominici. </DIV>

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