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  • Munsterboy
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    Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post
    How long did it take Pat Lam to get Connacht up to scratch playing the way they played this season? How long would it take Munster to start playing that way also?
    Moving the goalposts already I see. First it was "he's tailoring the game plan to the players available to him", now it's "he's tailoring the game plan to the time available".

    The truth is Joe has been in charge for three years and has another three to the next RWC. Is six years not enough to coach a team of top quality players, many of whom (the lads from Connacht and Ulster) already play a very expansive game for their provinces, to do more than ruck, kick and chase?

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  • sewa
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    Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
    Until this tour, when he was forced to select some fringe players (and move others into their best positions, at long fecking last), Joe was selecting players to suit his chosen conservative style, not the other way round.

    We have lads capable of playing more expansive, multi-faceted rugby. Joe needs to develop that if we're going to win another 6Ns, let alone do well at the next RWC. No more falling back on the excuse that he doesn't have enough time with the players and/or doesn't have players with the adequate skills. He has both.
    I agree with all of that but Joe is likely to be gone so lets hope that decision is taken quickly and we can get some positive attacking play brought in to the mix

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  • Miguel Sanchez
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    Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post
    How long did it take Pat Lam to get Connacht up to scratch playing the way they played this season? How long would it take Munster to start playing that way also?
    I do chuckle when this person posts. The blinkers are welded tight.

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  • In Joe we trust
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    Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
    Until this tour, when he was forced to select some fringe players (and move others into their best positions, at long fecking last), Joe was selecting players to suit his chosen conservative style, not the other way round.

    We have lads capable of playing more expansive, multi-faceted rugby. Joe needs to develop that if we're going to win another 6Ns, let alone do well at the next RWC. No more falling back on the excuse that he doesn't have enough time with the players and/or doesn't have players with the adequate skills. He has both.
    How long did it take Pat Lam to get Connacht up to scratch playing the way they played this season? How long would it take Munster to start playing that way also?

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  • whimpersnap
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    Originally posted by dropkick View Post
    Leinsters side that played Connacht a few weeks ago were far closer in terms of playing personnel to Connacht's players so provide a better barometer of the difference of playing styles.


    Schmidt style rugby means something to me. Ruck to ruck, risk free, kick often etc. Leinster were playing like that this season and surprise surprise, had a good defence but found it hard to score tries. Weren't they one of if not the lowest try scorers in the HEC?
    About middle for tries scored. The defence aspect wasn't because of Schmidt-style rugby - it was because Kurt McQuilkin was brought in to fix the dreadful passive defensive strategy MOC had introduced.

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  • Munsterboy
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    Originally posted by Upfront_1979 View Post
    Yet that was not the style Leinster or clermont played. Like most coaches Schmidt adapts his style to the skills of the players available, the current flavour of the season rules interpretation, and opponents.

    It's lazy analysis to say Schmidt has a style of kick and ruck but sewa will probably thank you


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    Until this tour, when he was forced to select some fringe players (and move others into their best positions, at long fecking last), Joe was selecting players to suit his chosen conservative style, not the other way round.

    We have lads capable of playing more expansive, multi-faceted rugby. Joe needs to develop that if we're going to win another 6Ns, let alone do well at the next RWC. No more falling back on the excuse that he doesn't have enough time with the players and/or doesn't have players with the adequate skills. He has both.

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  • Upfront_1979
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    Originally posted by dropkick View Post
    Leinsters side that played Connacht a few weeks ago were far closer in terms of playing personnel to Connacht's players so provide a better barometer of the difference of playing styles.


    Schmidt style rugby means something to me. Ruck to ruck, risk free, kick often etc. Leinster were playing like that this season and surprise surprise, had a good defence but found it hard to score tries. Weren't they one of if not the lowest try scorers in the HEC?
    Yet that was not the style Leinster or clermont played. Like most coaches Schmidt adapts his style to the skills of the players available, the current flavour of the season rules interpretation, and opponents.

    It's lazy analysis to say Schmidt has a style of kick and ruck but sewa will probably thank you


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  • Spiffy
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    Originally posted by The Outlaw View Post
    Outside Henderson probably nobody else. Maybe Mc grath. You have to accept with injury decimating SOB and Healy our ball carrying is severely blunted.

    We don't have any David Wallace's or Stephen Ferris's in the current crew
    In this respect, big Ultan Dillane was chronically underused on this tour. He got two stints of 10-15 minutes off the bench and that was it. Hardly enough game time to break a sweat.

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    Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
    And Munster need to organise their backrow dept and stick to it. We had lads playing all over the place because we were so crippelt but I'd like to see Jacko choose one position and work on it to master it.
    Do you think it could be 8. Long term at ERCC and Test level do you think he would be a Top no 8. Would he be better off in another position in the row

    We'll see in time.

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  • dropkick
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    Originally posted by Upfront_1979 View Post
    Would Connacht have beaten 2011/12 Leinster? Doubt it. Schmidt style rugby doesn't mean anything

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    Leinsters side that played Connacht a few weeks ago were far closer in terms of playing personnel to Connacht's players so provide a better barometer of the difference of playing styles.


    Schmidt style rugby means something to me. Ruck to ruck, risk free, kick often etc. Leinster were playing like that this season and surprise surprise, had a good defence but found it hard to score tries. Weren't they one of if not the lowest try scorers in the HEC?

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  • whimpersnap
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    Damn. I thought we'd finally figured out our ball-carrier problem.

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  • Munstersrebel
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    Originally posted by whimpersnap View Post
    He's going to build an atomic bomb?
    Land of the white cloud = New Zealand (duh!)

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  • whimpersnap
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    Originally posted by Munstersrebel View Post
    Good chance Joe's gonna be in the labd of the white cloud after nxt season
    He's going to build an atomic bomb?

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  • Munstersrebel
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    Originally posted by Paddy Whac View Post
    Joe likes versatility
    Good chance Joe's gonna be in the labd of the white cloud after nxt season

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  • Paddy Whac
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    Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
    And Munster need to organise their backrow dept and stick to it. We had lads playing all over the place because we were so crippelt but I'd like to see Jacko choose one position and work on it to master it.
    Joe likes versatility

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