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    Amazon, or whoever the Media Partner turns out to be, will porbably bung the SRU and the WRU a few Bob, the same as BT did to facilitate the setting up of the ECC.

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      Originally posted by Daithi View Post
      I might be missing something here, but why it they are thinking at all straight, would the 6 Ns consider supporting this world league?

      to abandon an established fabulous competition with guaranteed annual income,as well as the possibility of more for an uncertain international competition that will more than likely wipe out their club games while they're at it.

      this is a crude attempt by the southern unions to get their hands on Northern hemisphere lucre. That's all. I'm not aware of any global sport run like this. It would right off the fantastic 6Nations, the Lions Tours and Rugby World Cup in one go.

      Bananas proposal imho, on player welfare, supporter engagement (think of southern hemisphere stadia half empty) and on going reliable funding for the home unions going forward.

      The only way this will go through with the home unions is if fishy funding is used imho.

      p.s. Sure the home unions could consider selling some percentage of their future income, but even that is silly business imho. Why do the unions want cash up front when their costs are annual and rise like that also.!?!
      The 6 nations need to expand their vision.
      The 6 nations wont be abandoned. The southern unions in some cases are in serious financial trouble so can we really have them struggling long term.


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        Agree completely Daithi- I’m not sure any of the posts here are actually in favour of the idea- but even if thought it was generally a good thing, there’s little about it that favours the ‘emerging nations’, or the likes of Fiji, Samoa etc that are largely ignored by the AB etc (except for providing opportunities ones for some of the younger players to play with their kiwi cousins). 6N is the envy of the Southern Hemisphere teams, and if we wanted to develop/expand it we could do - without involving Oz, NZ, and others.

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          Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post
          Agree completely Daithi- I’m not sure any of the posts here are actually in favour of the idea- but even if thought it was generally a good thing, there’s little about it that favours the ‘emerging nations’, or the likes of Fiji, Samoa etc that are largely ignored by the AB etc (except for providing opportunities ones for some of the younger players to play with their kiwi cousins). 6N is the envy of the Southern Hemisphere teams, and if we wanted to develop/expand it we could do - without involving Oz, NZ, and others.
          Too right, the southern unions (Nz in particular) have no problem running the other island unions into the ground (e.g. Samoa, Fiji,etc) at every turn but yet the Nh unions are supposed to sacrifice the surety of their income streams to keep the SH unions solvent... And all this on some bloody world league that has all the appeal of jet lag, out of hours matches and whatever else.

          no way. No fuppin way.

          the world seeding thing and Rugby World Cup are the mechanisms for funding the world game and giving relevance etc. If it were me on one of the home unions I might certainly consider how to add more relevance to the autumn internationals and summer tours (how exactly, I dunno), but I wouldn't dream of diluting what works really well and pays really well, for what is unlikely to work either well or pay at all in the long run.

          if Italy or Scotland were relegated, that would be the international game gone in their countries, Wales or Ireland might survive badly for a handful of years, and France & England would maybe survive but would lose further crucial ground to the clubs from their respective countries. I can't see much good in this proposal at all. It's just a very crude attempt to raid the Nh union coffers, by badly run Sh unions imho.
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            Originally posted by LimerickRugbyFan View Post

            If the RFU were that financially unstable that given a year of reduced funding they would be forced into absolute chaos it surely isnt a good sign for them. Also does that not show the enormous benefit this plan will have for smaller nations who win promotion and all of a sudden have access to this amount of money for development in their own countries? Picture what a Fiji / Samoa could do with the amount of money the RFU or IRFU have?
            Whoever replaced England (or Scotland, Ireland, Wales or France) would not have access to anything like the same amount of money.

            The loss would include ticket sales, corporate hospitality and, most importantly, sponsorship money.

            Georgia or Fiji or whatever team got to the big leagues would never be able to replicate those income streams. The game would be poorer overall, the promoted would have a bit more money but the relegated would have a huge amount less.

            The 6Ns, like the RWC and Lions, is a big financial engine of the game. Trying to increase and distribute that money more widely makes a lot of sense but relegation risks reducing the pot, not growing it.

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              Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

              Whoever replaced England (or Scotland, Ireland, Wales or France) would not have access to anything like the same amount of money.

              The loss would include ticket sales, corporate hospitality and, most importantly, sponsorship money.

              Georgia or Fiji or whatever team got to the big leagues would never be able to replicate those income streams. The game would be poorer overall, the promoted would have a bit more money but the relegated would have a huge amount less.

              The 6Ns, like the RWC and Lions, is a big financial engine of the game. Trying to increase and distribute that money more widely makes a lot of sense but relegation risks reducing the pot, not growing it.
              How then would you say the game could be encouraged to grow in these tier 2 nations, very difficult to see that a Georgia for example wouldn't sell out their stadium with a New Zealand for example visiting? Are you to say that its okay for the Italy, Japan, Fiji, USA Georgia teams to be promoted and relegated but god forbid anyone else goes down?

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                Originally posted by LimerickRugbyFan View Post

                How then would you say the game could be encouraged to grow in these tier 2 nations, very difficult to see that a Georgia for example wouldn't sell out their stadium with a New Zealand for example visiting? Are you to say that its okay for the Italy, Japan, Fiji, USA Georgia teams to be promoted and relegated but god forbid anyone else goes down?

                There should be a European championships every 4 years. That would automatically double the number of tournaments that European tier 2 countries have generating much more interest as well as money in those countries.


                We could also have a pro14-Euro division where it's separate but they get to enter the pro14 playoffs at the end of the season. That division could add or subtract teams easily and have a 6 month season etc. The 'A' sides can also enter it but not reach the playoffs.


                Of course it all boils down to money. Easy to throw ideas out there.

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                  Originally posted by Daithi View Post

                  Too right, the southern unions (Nz in particular) have no problem running the other island unions into the ground (e.g. Samoa, Fiji,etc) at every turn but yet the Nh unions are supposed to sacrifice the surety of their income streams to keep the SH unions solvent... And all this on some bloody world league that has all the appeal of jet lag, out of hours matches and whatever else.

                  no way. No fuppin way.

                  the world seeding thing and Rugby World Cup are the mechanisms for funding the world game and giving relevance etc. If it were me on one of the home unions I might certainly consider how to add more relevance to the autumn internationals and summer tours (how exactly, I dunno), but I wouldn't dream of diluting what works really well and pays really well, for what is unlikely to work either well or pay at all in the long run.

                  if Italy or Scotland were relegated, that would be the international game gone in their countries, Wales or Ireland might survive badly for a handful of years, and France & England would maybe survive but would lose further crucial ground to the clubs from their respective countries. I can't see much good in this proposal at all. It's just a very crude attempt to raid the Nh union coffers, by badly run Sh unions imho.
                  The New Zealanders dont run the Fijis etc into the ground. They do plenty to keep them running. Not enough like not playing them more especially in the islands(but again that actually costs the islands money if it happens...)
                  New Zealand, Australia far from perfect but they do a lot of work for the islands unlike what we do for Georgia, Romania.
                  And we need to keep Southern Hemisphere solvent as otherwise we're ruined.
                  We cant just put in relegation in 6 nations because of risk to incomes of unions but need to do more for the countries knocking on door of 6 nations so we can expand something in the future be it a european championship every few years or another competition

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                    Originally posted by dropkick View Post


                    There should be a European championships every 4 years. That would automatically double the number of tournaments that European tier 2 countries have generating much more interest as well as money in those countries.


                    We could also have a pro14-Euro division where it's separate but they get to enter the pro14 playoffs at the end of the season. That division could add or subtract teams easily and have a 6 month season etc. The 'A' sides can also enter it but not reach the playoffs.


                    Of course it all boils down to money. Easy to throw ideas out there.
                    The 6 nations and real money maker at the top end remains a closed shop then? Pro14 second comp not a bad idea alright, I would like to see maybe a 2 division, maybe 10 teams each sort of thing?

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                      Originally posted by dropkick View Post


                      There should be a European championships every 4 years. That would automatically double the number of tournaments that European tier 2 countries have generating much more interest as well as money in those countries.


                      We could also have a pro14-Euro division where it's separate but they get to enter the pro14 playoffs at the end of the season. That division could add or subtract teams easily and have a 6 month season etc. The 'A' sides can also enter it but not reach the playoffs.


                      Of course it all boils down to money. Easy to throw ideas out there.
                      A european championship every 4 years should happen but in way that still gives the 6 nations countries income similar to 6 nations competition but how do you do that?
                      What pro14 euro division do you have and how many teams? Who funds it? And plenty of pro14 sides wouldnt be able to afford having an A side in the competition..

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                        Originally posted by LimerickRugbyFan View Post

                        How then would you say the game could be encouraged to grow in these tier 2 nations, very difficult to see that a Georgia for example wouldn't sell out their stadium with a New Zealand for example visiting? Are you to say that its okay for the Italy, Japan, Fiji, USA Georgia teams to be promoted and relegated but god forbid anyone else goes down?
                        Selling out a stadium in Georgia wouldn't generate anything like what Twickers does. Georgia is a poor country and the tickets wouldn't be going for £100+ nor would there be anything like the advertising and corporate money. And the TV companies currently offering big bucks for the rights to this tournament would quickly get disillusioned with it if some of the biggest markets switched off.

                        There is a reason they were originally looking at including US and Japan but not the Pacific island nations: they're large, affluent markets.

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                          Gregor Paul in the NZH has an interesting take on it.

                          In summary, Sanzaar are skint and they are looking for the Northern Hemisphere to bail them out. The Six Nations won't have relegation (and why would they?) so the World League is a non starter.

                          Sanzaar would be much better off building something like the Six Nations if they want to have a sustainable income source.

                          They have to include the Pacific Nations to do this.

                          It's up to them.

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                            Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                            Gregor Paul in the NZH has an interesting take on it.

                            In summary, Sanzaar are skint and they are looking for the Northern Hemisphere to bail them out. The Six Nations won't have relegation (and why would they?) so the World League is a non starter.

                            Sanzaar would be much better off building something like the Six Nations if they want to have a sustainable income source.

                            They have to include the Pacific Nations to do this.

                            It's up to them.
                            But pacific islands wont give Sanzaar the money they need. 6 Nations wont have relegation but need to do far more to help likes of Georgia. Like playing them more often and travelling to play there more.


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                              Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
                              But pacific islands wont give Sanzaar the money they need. 6 Nations wont have relegation but need to do far more to help likes of Georgia. Like playing them more often and travelling to play there more.

                              I think world rugby will really stall if promotion / relegation is not brought in. Impossible to see how rugby can eventually improve to having more than 10 competitive international teams without it. All well and good saying that you have to travel to the likes of Georgia, Romania, Pacific Islands more but we all know that teams will just send second teams over and its very difficult to see a development path for these countries without it.

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                                Originally posted by LimerickRugbyFan View Post

                                I think world rugby will really stall if promotion / relegation is not brought in. Impossible to see how rugby can eventually improve to having more than 10 competitive international teams without it. All well and good saying that you have to travel to the likes of Georgia, Romania, Pacific Islands more but we all know that teams will just send second teams over and its very difficult to see a development path for these countries without it.
                                Promotion/relegation isnt needed immediately as you have to look at finances of 6 nations and how key that is for unions.
                                If unions travel and play PIs/Georgia/Romania more often while at first they may send second sides but if they lose/tougher games they will send first strength sides.

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