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    I can see why SH countries would be concerned- pooling the NH TV money would strangle any real SH influence. Interesting that HCUP is excluded, because of the ‘independently owned’ England and French teams- that might indicate who some of the driving forces are....(as if we couldn’t suspect). If unions agree to this then I’d worry the game doesn’t grow, and Fiji ( Argentina?) etc get squeezed as the major teams do their best to keep afloat. We have the most marvellous game in the world (ok biased), and seem to be giving control to people who think that destroying tradition will make (them) money.

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      NZRU seem to be considering private investment.

      New Zealand Rugby are struggling for solutions to rapidly changing times.

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        Jonny and his players' Union pals are not impressed by the new proposals which include USA and Japan at the expense of the Pacific Island teams and have players playing up to five matches in the November Window.
        There was no place for Fiji, Samoa or Tonga in the proposed tournament, with emerging TV markets Japan and USA preferred.

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          Yet to see a positive comment about World's Rugby latest cunning plan which they want to start in 2020. The main points are:

          6N unchanged with results counting towards the new League. Japan and USA join the Rugby Championship with each side playing each other once. No more summer tours and potentially no more Lions Tours. In summer window Ireland as an example would play 3 of the RC sides and the travel which is involved. In the autumn window, the 3 sides who Ireland didn't play come to Dublin, then after 11 games, the top 4 go into playoffs. Potentially 5 straight tests in November. No promotion/relegation - the Pacific Island sides and Georgia squeezed out (explains why Georgia are interested in joining the Pro 14).

          Interesting to note that Mr Pichot is serving on the board of USA Rugby.
          Last edited by neill_m; 28th-February-2019, 13:13.

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              World rugby is at a crossroads now. Are they going to look at the sustainability of the game or making dosh now. They want grow the game in the US and Japan which is fine but at what cost? IMO they had a perfectly good competition to do that in the Churchill Cup. Maybe a revamp of that is a better option. If we cut Tier two European sides and Pacific nations adrift we'll end up with a cricket type situation. Proposing a five year run of the stated nations plus 4 - 6 tier 1 nations in an annual competition held in tier two nations is a far better option IMO. The World Cup will lose it's appeal too if this league becomes a reality.
              He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is.

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                The new world league seems like a great concept IMO, however 12 teams seems a little big? USA, Italy and Japan will take hammerings from any of the larger sides barring big results (USA beating Scotland this summer). An 8 team division 1 and an 8 team division 2 that would include the 3 pacific island teams and Georgia with promotion relegation could be a better option?

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                  Could look something like:
                  Division 1:
                  New Zealand
                  Australia
                  South Africa
                  Ireland
                  England
                  Wales
                  Scotland
                  France

                  Division 2:
                  Argentina
                  Fiji
                  Samoa
                  Tonga
                  Japan
                  Italy
                  Georgia
                  USA

                  They would appear to be 2 competitive divisions and fear of relegation / hope of promotion would give very good incentive to teams?

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                    So much for Pichot talking about player welfare and growing the game. This is just something designed to make money for the southern hemisphere nations. The money will come from putting matches behind a paywall. It will devalue the 3 major tournaments. The HEC will be squeezed and the pro14 will see it's top players even less.


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                    ​​​​​​I'm glad the players are speaking out. They're playing too long throughout the year and too many matches as it is.

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                      Gregor Paul of the New Zealand Herald puts the boot into the Blazers.

                      A few extracts:

                      "It's astonishing how shameless the suits can be: how easily and readily they can compromise if someone gets their chequebook out."

                      "Principles it seems are only that when there isn't a better offer on the table and the lack of integrity and honesty within the key decision-making councils of the global game isn't so much embarrassing as sad."

                      "It's sad that the game is mostly governed by older white males who talk of player welfare in one breath and then announce they have sold it down the river the next without a hint of it sitting badly on their conscience."

                      "The downsides create a much longer list, starting with the inevitable destruction of the Rugby Championship into a joke competition."

                      "what is saddest of all is that there is not an executive in any of the 12 World League nations that has strong enough ethics to say that the welfare of the game's best players is worth more than $[NZ]14m a season"
                      Comment: Player welfare is paramount - unless there's a better offer on the table.

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                        Pichot says no, it seems.

                        "The original architect of the idea Pichot, has responded to questions on Twitter, saying he wants the Pacific Island nations involved along with promotion and relegation.

                        Pichot says he will never support a league that doesn't have a pathway for emerging nations."

                        World Rugby is "surprised" at the Players' response, " given regular engagement throughout this ongoing process"

                        World Rugby vice chairman appears to have broken ranks over radical World League.

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                          Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                          Gregor Paul of the New Zealand Herald puts the boot into the Blazers.

                          A few extracts:

                          "It's astonishing how shameless the suits can be: how easily and readily they can compromise if someone gets their chequebook out."

                          "Principles it seems are only that when there isn't a better offer on the table and the lack of integrity and honesty within the key decision-making councils of the global game isn't so much embarrassing as sad."

                          "It's sad that the game is mostly governed by older white males who talk of player welfare in one breath and then announce they have sold it down the river the next without a hint of it sitting badly on their conscience."

                          "The downsides create a much longer list, starting with the inevitable destruction of the Rugby Championship into a joke competition."

                          "what is saddest of all is that there is not an executive in any of the 12 World League nations that has strong enough ethics to say that the welfare of the game's best players is worth more than $[NZ]14m a season"
                          Feel like taking out a subscription. Thanks for posting.

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                            Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

                            Feel like taking out a subscription. Thanks for posting.
                            You can sign up to get daily bulletins from the NZH. I did a while ago but I can't remember how.

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                              https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-un...elfare-issues/

                              World Rugby’s plan for a new global league of Test matches is said to be “dead in the water” after leading international players took the unprecedented step of speaking out against the proposal.

                              Reports of the latest version of World Rugby’s vision, which were published in the New Zealand Herald, sparked outrage on social media after it was revealed the Pacific Islands would be excluded from the 12-team league, with no prospect of promotion or relegation for 12 years.

                              There were also renewed fears over whether Lions tours would have to be scrapped and if rugby would be broadcast on domestic television as part of the deal.

                              But Six Nations sources last night said the proposal had been all but killed off by the shock intervention of three of the sport’s most senior figures in England captain Owen Farrell, New Zealand skipper Kieran Read, and reigning World Player of the Year Johnny Sexton.

                              All three are members of the International Rugby Players Council and after taking part in a conference call of 40 players they warned that welfare issues would render the World League unworkable.

                              Sexton, who is President of the International Rugby Players Association, said: “It now seems like a commercial deal on the future of the game is being negotiated at a rapid pace with little consideration given to the important points we raised with World Rugby in November.

                              “The issue of player load has never been so topical, however needs to be properly understood. To suggest that players can play five incredibly high-level test matches in consecutive weeks in November [as would be the case under the latest proposals], is out of touch and shows little understanding of the physical strain this brings.”

                              Read warned of “fatigued players playing a reduced quality of rugby as part of a money-driven, weakened competition” and Farrell added the proposal “doesn’t seem to have considered [player welfare and release issues] properly and shows no sign of improving this already difficult situation.”

                              World Rugby insiders are thought to have been rocked by the reaction, having been caught by surprise by the release of the players’ statements. And it is thought the intervention by the players will prove decisive in the battle for rugby’s future.

                              One senior Six Nations source said: “This is dead in the water. We have always been very sceptical about this proposal as there are so many hurdles to overcome, not least the concerns about player welfare, the impact it would have on the World Cup and the disruptions to the domestic season.

                              “The fact that leading players have also spoken out now shows that it will be an impossible sell now.”

                              The Six Nations unions, as revealed by Telegraph Sport earlier this month, have been in secret negotiations about pooling their own broadcasting rights for their annual Test match schedules, as part of a proposal called ‘Project Light,’ for over a year and well before discussions began about the World League last autumn. It seems they will now push ahead with these plans.

                              “We can already get a significant uplift in our revenues without having to take all the risks and exposure ourselves to the downsides of the World League, so why would we proceed?” said another Six Nations source.

                              Telegraph Sport has previously reported that there is little support for the World League plan in the Irish and Scottish unions while it was said on Thursday that the Rugby Football Union was “at best tepid” in their view of the proposal.

                              The Six Nations have also opened exploratory talks with CVC, the private equity firm who recently acquired a £200 million minority stake in Premiership Rugby, and another source said: “There has always been a fear that this project is just the southern hemisphere trying to eat our lunch. We are still at the exploratory stages of discussions and have yet to see a compelling case for moving forward.”

                              The World Rugby plan, which was first formulated in September, is a response to financial pressures being felt by unions in both hemispheres, but particularly the south, where the commercial value of the summer tours are significantly lower than the autumn series in Europe.

                              The backers believe a league in which the top 12 countries play each other over the course of the year, with the Six Nations and Rugby Championship remaining intact but counting towards the ranking for autumn play-offs, would bring greater value to Test rugby.

                              World Rugby was told to come back with a significantly increased broadcast deal if World League were to be considered following a meeting of leading figures of the global game in Los Angeles in January.

                              Telegraph Sport revealed in November that there was significant opposition to World League plans within the Six Nations, despite the Los Angeles update in January, which is understood to have included one concrete *broadcasting offer.

                              Backers of the proposal are understood to have promised a financial uplift of at least £5 million to each union, but there are concerns at the lack of detail about how this money his shared and also the costs involved at securing extra Test match weekends in England and France.
                              He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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                                Not sure I'm much of a fan of Pichot the rugby politician.

                                He was the driving force behind the project player extension from 3 to 5 years (make of that what you will on another thread)

                                I also think his motivations for this 'world league' are more patriotic than anything, he can plainly see the Pumas are whipping boys in the Rugby Championship and would rather his lads were involved in a league with more minnows and shorter travelling times.


                                Settle down Augustin, or they'll turf you out.
                                I am the million man.

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