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    6 Nations 2016

    Unfortunately after last nights game the RWC is over and it's onto the 6Nations and as can be seen development and young talent needs to be introduced. I'd like to see a squad like this picked for A games and 6Nations (injuries permitting) - with the intention that players like Furlong, Moore, Kilcoyne, Foley, Stander, Jackson/JJ, Olding/McCloskey/Gilroy all get to play in at least 1 if not 2 6Nations games.

    One thing that seems obvious from RWC is that Arg (Hernandez), Aus (Giteau), NZ (Nonu - improved massively) all have No12's who are top class distributers (and in 2 out of the 3 top class kickers) which enables them to move the ball wide easily - It's something we have to look at.


    Healy, McGrath, Kilcoyne, Cronin
    Best, Strauss, Cronin, Sherry
    Ross, Moore, Furlong, White
    Henderson, Toner, Ryan, Foley
    POM, Ruddock
    SOB, Henry, TOD
    Heaslip, Stander
    Murray, Marmian, Reddan
    Sexton, Madigan, Jackson, JJ
    Olding, McClosky, Reid
    Henshaw, Payne,
    Earls, Trimble, Luke, Gilroy, Bowe
    Zebo, Rob

    #2
    We need more depth at 6 if we're to allow our locks to focus on their development at test level. Not sure where that comes from at the moment.

    Mike Ross is 35 now, so replacing him over the next season has to be a priority too.

    I'm worried about Sexton (hopefully unnecessarily). It's some time since he came through a run of matches unscathed. Hopefully coincidental, but there's a question mark there for me.

    Agree that finding a 12 is vital too. Is there any hope for Marshall?
    "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

    "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


    "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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      #3
      Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
      We need more depth at 6 if we're to allow our locks to focus on their development at test level. Not sure where that comes from at the moment.

      Mike Ross is 35 now, so replacing him over the next season has to be a priority too.

      I'm worried about Sexton (hopefully unnecessarily). It's some time since he came through a run of matches unscathed. Hopefully coincidental, but there's a question mark there for me.

      Agree that finding a 12 is vital too. Is there any hope for Marshall?
      I agree but POM/Ruddock/Murphy are all fairly young and can play 6 and guys like Conan/Leavy/O'Donghue etc are all starting out at provincial level and Stander could also put in a shift there potentially.
      SOB could also play 6 if more 7's come through ie TOD.

      Moore/Furlong/White look as being potential to cover for/replace Ross and if Archer progresses he could also be in the mix.

      Marshall I don't know - will he not find it tough at Ulster with McCloskey/Olding/Cave/Payne also there - I always thought he was more a basher than a playmaker at 12..I always wonder would a Madigan/Sexton/Henshaw or Sexton/Keatley/Henshaw 10/12 combination enable us to be more of an attacking/playmaking force

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        #4
        Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post
        I agree but POM/Ruddock/Murphy are all fairly young and can play 6 and guys like Conan/Leavy/O'Donghue etc are all starting out at provincial level and Stander could also put in a shift there potentially.
        SOB could also play 6 if more 7's come through ie TOD.

        Moore/Furlong/White look as being potential to cover for/replace Ross and if Archer progresses he could also be in the mix.

        Marshall I don't know - will he not find it tough at Ulster with McCloskey/Olding/Cave/Payne also there - I always thought he was more a basher than a playmaker at 12..I always wonder would a Madigan/Sexton/Henshaw or Sexton/Keatley/Henshaw 10/12 combination enable us to be more of an attacking/playmaking force
        I know it's a while ago, and it was "only Fiji", but he was very exciting that day in Thomond. Very quick, found gaps. There seems to be a bit of a pile up in Ulster, but he was definitely in front of Cave at that point.

        Agree we have options coming through at TH. Need to give them more than 10 minutes at home against Italy over the next year though.

        My worry at 6 is how sparse we start to look without POM. Ruddock and Murphy are solid, for me, but we start to look a bit thin. I think some of that comes from a big change in our back row over the last year or so. From a position where we felt we had lots of flexible players coming through, we've developed a generation of pretty specialised players. Our 6's would struggle at 8, our main 8 can only play 8, our 7's are really only 7's. We can move POM around at a push, but we know we'd be taking a hit. It's a strange pass when our back row cover is coming from 2 locks. It's not a flaw in the players as such, but it means that we need a stack of them to give us real cover.
        "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

        "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


        "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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          #5
          There are a lot of players named there who won't be around for the next world cup. If we're going to use older players to help bring lads through, then they need to be bloody good enough to be of use - ie. Rory Best.

          Not sure the benefit of bringing guys like White, Heaslip, Reddan and Rob. Do they add enough to justify a spot over a lad who can be developed for 4 years time?

          I'm also really worried Sexton won't last much longer. He's taken so much punishment and appears to take concussions at least once every two games.

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            #6
            Big worries for me are hooker and lock.

            I think O'Mahony, Ruddock with youngsters like O'Callaghan and Coughlan leave us well covered at 6. Stander and O'Brien can also do a job there.

            At 12 we have McCloskey who I think will be a key player for Ireland. Himself and Henshaw could be a potentially excellent combo with size, power, agility and brains. Henshaw covers 12 with guys like Payne, Earls and Fitz covering 13. Then Marshall and a couple of outhalf options can also step in at 12.

            At lock we have Ryan (already 31), Toner (never going to be consistently world class), Foley (not convinced he has the edge or dog) and Henderson.

            At Hooker, Rory Best is leaving behind big shoes to fill. Nothing I've seen from any of the provinces suggests we have anyone capable of delivering in the set pieces or around the field to fill them.

            Edit: Oh, and at 9. We've just got through 4 years of nothing happening to Murray with the square root of feck all behind him. It's a bit much to expect we'll get through 8.

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              #7
              Heaslip's captaincy record speaks for itself and is the first thing that needs to be addressed moving forward.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Dowlinz View Post
                Heaslip's captaincy record speaks for itself and is the first thing that needs to be addressed moving forward.
                Agreed. The primary reason we lost yesterday was Heaslip's captaincy.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rabb1tts Jump View Post
                  Agreed. The primary reason we lost yesterday was Heaslip's captaincy.
                  Good.

                  With those facts established and nailed down we can move on.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
                    I know it's a while ago, and it was "only Fiji", but he was very exciting that day in Thomond. Very quick, found gaps. There seems to be a bit of a pile up in Ulster, but he was definitely in front of Cave at that point.

                    Agree we have options coming through at TH. Need to give them more than 10 minutes at home against Italy over the next year though.

                    My worry at 6 is how sparse we start to look without POM. Ruddock and Murphy are solid, for me, but we start to look a bit thin. I think some of that comes from a big change in our back row over the last year or so. From a position where we felt we had lots of flexible players coming through, we've developed a generation of pretty specialised players. Our 6's would struggle at 8, our main 8 can only play 8, our 7's are really only 7's. We can move POM around at a push, but we know we'd be taking a hit. It's a strange pass when our back row cover is coming from 2 locks. It's not a flaw in the players as such, but it means that we need a stack of them to give us real cover.
                    When Marshall broke into the international set-up he wasn't competing with Cave, Cave was playing 13 for Ulster and Marshall was vying with an aging Paddy Wallace at 12 IIRC.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Red Hand Hero View Post
                      When Marshall broke into the international set-up he wasn't competing with Cave, Cave was playing 13 for Ulster and Marshall was vying with an aging Paddy Wallace at 12 IIRC.

                      I meant more in terms of how close they were to a Test shirt. Marshall looked at that point to be the next in line to Darcy, while it was already clear that Cave wasn't considered an option at 13 long term, imo.
                      "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                      "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                      "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                        #12
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by diarm View Post
                          There are a lot of players named there who won't be around for the next world cup. If we're going to use older players to help bring lads through, then they need to be bloody good enough to be of use - ie. Rory Best.

                          Not sure the benefit of bringing guys like White, Heaslip, Reddan and Rob. Do they add enough to justify a spot over a lad who can be developed for 4 years time?

                          I'm also really worried Sexton won't last much longer. He's taken so much punishment and appears to take concussions at least once every two games.
                          When you see New Zealand picking guys like Mealamu 36, Woodock 34, McCaw 34, Carter 33, Nonu 33, Smith 33 it shows age isn't so important...
                          If we plan on developing for 4 years time then do we really get rid of Ross, White, Best, Strauss, Cronin, Ryan, Sexton, Bowe, Cave, Boss, Reddan, McCarthy......It needs to be an ongoing planned - for example if we get rid of Reddan and Murray gets injured do we go into a 6Nations with Marmian and McGrath/Marshall/Sheridan etc on the bench?

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                            #14
                            I thought matt williams had some interesting points after the game. One that struck me was apparently at the end of each dioer rugby season the NZ franchise coaches all meet up and share their techniques and strategies. They have no choice in this. Examples like a very effective maul or choke tackling techniques or whatever. This levels the playing field driving continous improvement as well as ensuring all knowledge is fed centrally to the national coaching team.

                            We have the closest setup to NZ and I think there is value in copying as much as we can from them.
                            The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad.
                            - Salvador Dali (1904-1989)

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Upfront_1979 View Post
                              I thought matt williams had some interesting points after the game. One that struck me was apparently at the end of each dioer rugby season the NZ franchise coaches all meet up and share their techniques and strategies. They have no choice in this. Examples like a very effective maul or choke tackling techniques or whatever. This levels the playing field driving continous improvement as well as ensuring all knowledge is fed centrally to the national coaching team.

                              We have the closest setup to NZ and I think there is value in copying as much as we can from them.
                              Many of us have said this for some time. Each province will be stronger by working together - Feek for instance should be doing scrum work with all the provinces.

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