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    16 Team RWC?


    <h1> World Cup to slim down</h1>
    @@@@SPAN>By Brendan Gallagher @@@@/SPAN>





    Reducing
    the 2011 World Cup finals in New Zealand to a 16-team tournament, using
    summer and November Tests to work out the seedings, endorsing Eden Park
    as the venue for the final and the 'Argentine question' have been on
    the agenda at a busy International Rugby Board council session in
    Auckland this week.

    The return to a 16-team
    'finals' seems very likely after the IRB chairman, Dr Syd Millar,
    pointedly stated after one committee meeting: "It's just not realistic
    to suggest we have amateur teams playing against professional teams in
    this day and age."

    The prospect of Namibia and
    Romania, not to mention Uruguay, undergoing the ritual slaughter they
    suffered in Australia four years ago is not an edifying one, although
    such third-tier countries have to be given some alternative competition
    - playing World Cup qualifiers and their brief moment in the sun every
    four years is virtually the only thing that keeps international rugby
    going in such countries.

    The IRB are also strongly
    considering spicing up the international programme every November and
    June in the two years before the World Cup so that all results
    contribute towards an old-style merit table, from which the seedings
    for the World Cup can be made. Such a development would add interest to
    games that have become a little stale, with under-strength sides often
    on show from touring countries who are at the end of their seasons,
    while it should also help avoid the farcical situation in France this
    September when three of the world's top six nations - Ireland, France
    and Argentina - have been lumped together in the same pool.

    Finally, on the subject of Argentina, the IRB
    are again lobbying the SANZAR (South Africa, New Zealand and Australia)
    countries in an attempt to persuade them to allow the Pumas into the
    Tri-Nations - which has gone off the boil a little and could do with
    refreshing.

    "We have to somehow give them a
    competition," insisted Millar. "It's all right giving them money but
    money won't solve their problem."

    With existing television contracts running until 2010, however, it is difficult to see how anything could change before them

    #2

    Originally posted by RobbieG

    "We have to somehow give them a
    competition," insisted Millar. "It's all right giving them money but
    money won't solve their problem."


    Do what they did when the Rugby League "World" Cup was held in the UK, run an "emerging nations" competition parallel to the senior one, using smaller venues in the same towns
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      #3


      16 is more than enough, there have been some terribly one-sided games of no benefit to anyone in past World Cups. That "Emerging Nations Trophy" idea is good and couldcarry the additionalbonus of giving the winner a spot in the following RWC. Also spreading interest in the game by having games spread througha variety oflocations where large stadia are not required.


      Still don't get what they're at with this "points for Summer Tests" scheme, if they waited until a year before the RWC started to make the draws, using the current IRB rankings,then the farcical situation regarding the IRL/FRA/ARG pool wouldn't have happened regardless.

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        #4


        @@@@SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; COLOR: #4a4a4a; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I agree with the 16 team format, however if seeding is based on Autumn Internationals, I’m sure strategic picking of opponents would come in to play......the poor ABs would never get a game!@@@@/SPAN>

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          #5
          Originally posted by Skyhawk


          @@@@SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; COLOR: #4a4a4a; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I agree with the 16 team format, however if seeding is based on Autumn Internationals, I’m sure strategic picking of opponents would come in to play......the poor ABs would never get a game!@@@@/SPAN>


          Autumn and Summer internationals are decided by the IRB, not by the host countries.

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            #6
            16 teams and an emerging nations sounds good.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Point
              Originally posted by Skyhawk


              @@@@SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; COLOR: #4a4a4a; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I agree with the 16 team format, however if seeding is based on Autumn Internationals, I’m sure strategic picking of opponents would come in to play......the poor ABs would never get a game!@@@@/SPAN>


              Autumn and Summer internationals are decided by the IRB, not by the host countries.


              I didn't know that....I always though that decision was made by the unions involved [img]smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif[/img](I stand corrected)


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                #8
                Using the summer and autumn internationals as a seeding method is a terrible idea. Those matches are about the only time a lot of countries (Ireland in particular) take chances and blood new players. If these test series counted towards the RWC, Ireland would be slower than it already is at finding new talent on the international level.[img]smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif[/img]

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                  #9


                  I wonder if they asked those countries, what they thought.....


                  "We have to somehow give them a competition," insisted Millar. "It's all right giving them money but money won't solve their problem."


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                    #10

                    Originally posted by Skyhawk
                    Originally posted by Point
                    Originally posted by Skyhawk


                    @@@@SPAN style="font-size: 8.5pt; color: rgb(74, 74, 74); font-family: Verdana;">I agree with the 16 team format, however if seeding is based on Autumn Internationals, I’m sure strategic picking of opponents would come in to play......the poor ABs would never get a game!@@@@/SPAN>


                    Autumn and Summer internationals are decided by the IRB, not by the host countries.


                    I didn't know that....I always though that decision was made by the unions involved [img]smileys/c&#111;nfused.gif[/img](I stand corrected)

                    Its why some poor b*****d always gets stuck with a tour to Argentina.
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                      #11





                      Agree with The Bandwagon that it would put the mockers on autumns as a stage for blooding new players, which would be a loss.


                      I like the emerging nations idea - would it not be possible to play them as double headers in the one venue? It is becoming less and less tenable to have amateurs playing professionals.


                      Where does the 16 come from though? If they were to go with:


                      New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Ireland, England, France, Wales, Scotland, Italy, Pacific Islands (can't see Tonga/Samoa/Fiji in world cups on their own), Canada, USA then you're still looking at two of Namibia, Romania, Georgia, Uruguay etc aren't you?
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                        #12
                        Correct and true Balla. There aren't even 16 teams that are competetive in actual fact, 12 tops. In addition, England had a far better proposal than France for this years WC which included a 16 team AND a second tier WC for emerging countries. So what are Miller and co doing? Reinventing the wheel?
                        It was the couple of fixtures in Cardiff and Murrayfield that swung the vote to the French. They wanted one in Lnasdowne too but with the redevelopment scheduled that was out, so it was down to our traditional anglophobia to vote for France. Or maybe it was just the prospect of a Sunny September?
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