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    Can we stop the unfounded doubting?



    Guys why does everyone find it so hard to think that maybe this Irish side is the #2 side in the world at the moment?


    Can you name a better lock combination than POC-DOC. In fact can you name a better lock in the world than POC?

    Who has a better back row? Yep I know we're only s**te little Ireland, how dare we think we might actually be any good. But meanwhile, back in the real world, we have 3 of the best back rows around who form one of the most effective units.


    In BOD-GDA we have 2 of the best 3/4s in the world. One of them is the best centre of the last 20 years. Neither is actually at their best and we're still playing this well.


    In Trimble we have a young man who shows all the signs of joining those 2 at the top table.


    If you look at the rest of the side, how many players in each position are really better players. And how many can play as well in a team game not just as individuals. We may not have a huge amount of strength in depth but right now I'd take most of our side ahead of players from any other NH side and most of the SH as well.
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    #2


    Typical Irish attitude unfortunately Omer, we don't think we belong with the big teams.Our first XV is the second best in the world, although sadly we don't have the strength in depth of other nations.


    We could win the World Cup, I think the players are finally coming around to the idea, and fans should follow suit. You're not going to win anything unless you believe you can, Roy Keane taught us all that.[img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]
    "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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      #3
      Well tomorrow the IRB rankings will show us as 2nd in the world so people just have to deal with it. The World Cup is winnable if we get reasonably lucky with injuries, not even terribly lucky we're growing into having a 22 instead of a 15.
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        #4


        The trouble for people trying to believe in this team is that this success lark is virgin territory fo us. This team has started to become seriously competitive, but given Ireland's lack of success in winning titles most fans will only believe in the team after a Grand Slam, or maybe a semi-final or higher placement in the WC.


        We all want them to confound the critics, but their still are issues to do with the scrum and cover for ROG that must be addressed if they are to be contenders at the WC, it will be tough enough to get out of the group.

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          #5
          If Ireland want to be considered as potential world cup winners they need to pick up the grand slam in the six nations. It's there for the taking and Ireland needs to step up and do it. Then we can look towards the world cup.
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            #6
            If we don't win a grand slam in next year's six nations it will be a failure, another triple crown should not be considered a success when the opposition is that poor.
            "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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              #7

              I dare to doubt.

              Two home wins in 4 years both in appalling conditions against below strength, e-o-s Aussie teams, contrasted with this:-

              <str&#111;ng nd="66">[/b]<str&#111;ng nd="66">2006:[/b] Australia won 37-15, Perth
              <str&#111;ng nd="68">2005:[/b] Australia won 30-14, Dublin
              <str&#111;ng nd="69">2003:[/b] Australia won 17-16, Melbourne (RWC)
              <str&#111;ng nd="70">2003:[/b] Australia won 45-16, Perth
              <str&#111;ng nd="72">1999:[/b] Australia won 23-3, Dublin
              <str&#111;ng nd="73">1999:[/b] Australia won 32-26, Perth
              <str&#111;ng nd="74">1999:[/b] Australia won 46-10, Brisbane
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                #8
                I've my doubts.

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                  #9




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                  To be taken seriously we need to take ourselves seriously and there has been a big mental change in the Irish team in the last 12/18 months. We went to the SH and battled our guts out and not for one moment did we stop trying or take a step backward. We were, however, beaten by better teams on the day.


                  One of the problemshas beena lack of depth. We have had a bench that EOS doesn't trust. We now have abig match 22. We now have "fringe" players with international experience. We lack a 2ndOH and that is all.


                  The way we are playing there is no doubt in my mind that we are the 2nd best team in the world at the minute. Would have loved to see the AB's v. Ireland this AI. Would have been a cracker!

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                    #10
                    We've always managed to bottle it against the all blacks and
                    consisitently choke in six nations situations. Until we actually win
                    something why wouldnt you doubt the team, theyre improving but also
                    unproven. If we dont win the 6N this year, EOS is not doing his
                    job.Simple as. Success we've enjoyed should be measured when we
                    consider some of the players we have. You have to ask the question
                    "should we be doing better?" regardless of our dismal record.

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                      #11


                      England "choked" for years trying to get a GS. They eventually got one in the lead up to RWC03. I don't think we have choked. We just haven't been good enough in the past. We now are.


                      We need a GS to prove it to others and more importantly ourselves!







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                        #12

                        Originally posted by LastKnight

                        England "choked" for years trying to get a GS.
                        They eventually got one in the lead up to RWC03. I don't think we have
                        choked. We just haven't been good enough in the past. We now are.


                        We need a GS to prove it to others and more importantly ourselves!







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                        TBF in 2004, if EOS had managed to drop the off form Corrigan &amp;
                        Byrne at the time for the in form Marcus &amp; Sheehan, we may well
                        have won the GS. Wales ended up winning it with a largely beatable
                        side. France &amp; Eng were dog poor that year.

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                          #13
                          Whatever about Byrne v. Sheehan, playing Corrigan crippled that side. He was a great servant and he didn't deserve for his parting shots of Int rugby to be those ones. However, the 2005 team (it think it was 2005) was very unlucky with injuries to key players, O'Gara was horribly off-form too.
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                            #14

                            Originally posted by Mcork
                            Originally posted by LastKnight

                            England "choked" for years trying to get a GS.
                            They eventually got one in the lead up to RWC03. I don't think we have
                            choked. We just haven't been good enough in the past. We now are.


                            We need a GS to prove it to others and more importantly ourselves!







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                            TBF in 2004, if EOS had managed to drop the off form Corrigan &amp;
                            Byrne at the time for the in form Marcus &amp; Sheehan, we may well
                            have won the GS. Wales ended up winning it with a largely beatable
                            side. France &amp; Eng were dog poor that year.


                            Front 5 wasnt really the problem, our back row had no ball carriers and our back were unfit or injured.

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                              #15


                              The 6N is preparation for the RWC. We get to see what mood the French are in, and how we measure up against the strong scrums of France &amp; Eng. And I'm looking forward to how we go about strangling the Welsh counter-attack - get that right and we may have a chance against the ABs.


                              Mind you, winning silverware is crucial - look at ROG since the Heineken success.


                              The stumbling block is the front row - if we don't sort that out, we'll be lucky to get to the semis.

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