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    European Nations Cup (Six Nations B)


    In the first round of “Nations Cup”, three teams gained the
    same points but only Georgia was rewarded for playing
    well in attack.
    “The Lelos” scored 10 tries against Ukraine and won 62:3.
    Because of scoring 4 and more tries, Georgians received a
    premium point. Portugal, Russia and Spain scored 3-3 tries
    and they were left without this premium point. Instead of it,
    Romania and Spain lost their matches with 7 and less
    difference. So, they gained one premium point.
    Romanian team which was playing against Portugal in
    Lisbon, lost 17:24. Spanish team was losing first 3:15, then
    10:22 and finally, they lost 24:28.

    I round
    Georgia- Ukraine 62:3
    Portugal- Romania 24:17
    Spain- Russia 24:28

    1 Georgia 1 1 0 0 62-3 5
    2 Portugal 1 1 0 0 24-17 4
    3 Russia 1 1 0 0 28-24 4
    4 Spain 1 0 0 1 24-28 1
    5 Romania 1 0 0 1 17-28 1
    6 Ukraine 1 0 0 0 3-62 0


    II round. February 12
    Georgia - Spain
    Ukraine - Romania
    Russia - Portugal
    It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

    Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

    #2
    Portugal beating Romania would be an upset I think?

    Michael Bradley's involvement with Georgia seems to be
    going well, comprehensive victory over Ukraine.
    It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

    Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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      #3
      So they have the Bonus Point system in the 2nd tier competition ... but not in the 1st Tier? WTF?

      Would agree, that would be big result for Portugal - anyone know what the history of Rugby in
      Portugal and Spain is and how it because introduced as a sport? Nothing to do with the Christian
      Brothers introduction of the game like they did in Argentina?

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        #4
        still no sign of my Lithuanian bandwagon[img]smileys/sad.gif[/img]
        "They think they know us, but they haven't a clue"

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          #5
          just read up a little there, Georgia had an attendance of 10,000 at home to Ukraine and Spain had 8,000 at their game against Russia!! quite decent attendances i would think?
          "They think they know us, but they haven't a clue"

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            #6
            Rugby in Portugal is reasonably popular. I've met the odd rugby fan over there when I was over for surfing events. the description I got at the time was that it isn't massively popular in the southern end of the country due to the expense of maintaining grass pitches in such a dry area.
            From the little I know about sport in portugal I *think* rugby is the second biggest team sport there. But as a nation they are complete soccer nuts, they've a couple of daily sports newspapers and if any sport other than soccer gets space in one of them it's a big deal.
            Rugby is quite popular at collegiate level, think USA/Canada but remember their much smaller population & finances.

            Plato: \"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.\"

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              #7


              Originally posted by Hakaman
              So they have the Bonus Point system in the 2nd tier competition ... but not in the 1st Tier? WTF?

              Would agree, that would be big result for Portugal - anyone know what the history of Rugby in
              Portugal and Spain is and how it because introduced as a sport? Nothing to do with the Christian
              Brothers introduction of the game like they did in Argentina?

              Nothing to do with the C. Brothers, Hakaman.


              First club was formed back in the early twenties, nevertheless,the average spaniard doesnt know much about rugby. They think itsAmerican Football, but, in saying that,there are plenty of passionate fans in Spain, as well. When it comes to the games, the turnouts arent too bad. 'Cajasol ciencias', the1st division local club in Seville ,gets around 1000spectatorsat games. Average national attendance is 800 for 1st division clubs.


              Spainhave improved a lot this year, but at what cost? They have a new French coach,and out of the 30 players in the original squad for the Russia game, almost half were French- who play their clubrugby in France not Spain.


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                #8

                Originally posted by kahalui

                Originally posted by Hakaman
                So they have the Bonus Point system in the 2nd tier competition ... but not in the 1st Tier? WTF?

                Would agree, that would be big result for Portugal - anyone know what the history of Rugby in
                Portugal and Spain is and how it because introduced as a sport? Nothing to do with the Christian
                Brothers introduction of the game like they did in Argentina?

                Nothing to do with the C. Brothers, Hakaman.


                First club was formed back in the early twenties, nevertheless,the average spaniard doesnt know much about rugby. They think itsAmerican Football, but, in saying that,there are plenty of passionate fans in Spain, as well. When it comes to the games, the turnouts arent too bad. 'Cajasol ciencias', the1st division local club in Seville ,gets around 1000spectatorsat games. Average national attendance is 800 for 1st division clubs.


                Spainhave improved a lot this year, but at what cost? They have a new French coach,and out of the 30 players in the original squad for the Russia game, almost half were French- who play their clubrugby in France not Spain.

                read about that too, apparently they justify it by saying the majority of those French lads are from the Basque/Catalunya region and don't really pay much heed to the Spain-France border [img]smileys/confused.gif[/img]
                "They think they know us, but they haven't a clue"

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lactose intolerant
                  Originally posted by kahalui


                  Originally posted by Hakaman
                  So they have the Bonus Point system in the 2nd tier competition ... but not in the 1st Tier? WTF?

                  Would agree, that would be big result for Portugal - anyone know what the history of Rugby in
                  Portugal and Spain is and how it because introduced as a sport? Nothing to do with the Christian
                  Brothers introduction of the game like they did in Argentina?

                  Nothing to do with the C. Brothers, Hakaman.


                  First club was formed back in the early twenties, nevertheless,the average spaniard doesnt know much about rugby. They think itsAmerican Football, but, in saying that,there are plenty of passionate fans in Spain, as well. When it comes to the games, the turnouts arent too bad. 'Cajasol ciencias', the1st division local club in Seville ,gets around 1000spectatorsat games. Average national attendance is 800 for 1st division clubs.


                  Spainhave improved a lot this year, but at what cost? They have a new French coach,and out of the 30 players in the original squad for the Russia game, almost half were French- who play their clubrugby in France not Spain.




                  read about that too, apparently they justify it by saying the majority of those French lads are from the Basque/Catalunya region and don't really pay much heed to the Spain-France border [img]smileys/confused.gif[/img]

                  Indeed. Iassumed the residency rule wouldve applied to Spain as well?I watched the Russia game with a couple of local seasoned veterans and they were fuming over the non-inclusion of 'their own' lads, saying they're going down the mercenary route, where theend result will bebetter results,but littleor no homegrown development.


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                    #10
                    Originally posted by kahalui
                    Originally posted by lactose intolerant
                    Originally posted by kahalui


                    Originally posted by Hakaman
                    So they have the Bonus Point
                    system in the 2nd tier competition ... but not in the 1st
                    Tier? WTF? Would agree, that would be big result for
                    Portugal - anyone know what the history of Rugby in
                    Portugal and Spain is and how it because introduced as a
                    sport? Nothing to do with the Christian Brothers introduction
                    of the game like they did in Argentina?

                    Nothing to do with the C. Brothers, Hakaman.


                    First club was formed back in the early twenties,
                    nevertheless, the average spaniard doesnt know much
                    about rugby. They think its American Football, but, in
                    saying that, there are plenty of passionate fans in Spain, as
                    well. When it comes to the games, the turnouts arent too
                    bad. 'Cajasol ciencias', the 1st division local club in Seville
                    ,gets around 1000 spectators at games. Average national
                    attendance is 800 for 1st division clubs.


                    Spain have improved a lot this year, but at what cost?
                    They have a new French coach, and out of the 30 players
                    in the original squad for the Russia game, almost half were
                    French- who play their club rugby in France not Spain.



                     

                    read about that too, apparently they justify it
                    by saying the majority of those French lads are from the
                    Basque/Catalunya region and don't really pay much heed
                    to the Spain-France border
                    [img]smileys/confused.gif[/img]

                    Indeed. I assumed the residency rule wouldve applied
                    to Spain as well? I watched the Russia game with a couple
                    of local seasoned veterans and they were fuming over the
                    non-inclusion of 'their own' lads, saying they're going down
                    the mercenary route, where the end result will be better
                    results, but little or no homegrown development.


                     
                    Hard to know, success tends to attract support. If the
                    players have Spanish parents then it's nothing that the
                    bigger international teams don't do.

                    The Russians have their own pro league, the Georgian's
                    have a good few players in france, as do Romania iirc, so
                    to compete Spain and Portugal are going to have to find
                    pro outlets for their own players, or find pro players to play
                    for them.

                    Georgia are ranked 15th (68.21) by the IRB, with a
                    coaching staff that includes Sean Fitzpatrick and Michael
                    Bradley, could they be pushing towards Italy's ranking
                    (12th, 72.86) soon, if Italy continue to lose games?
                    It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

                    Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by JoeyFantastic
                      Originally posted by kahalui
                      Originally posted by lactose intolerant
                      Originally posted by kahalui



                      Originally posted by Hakaman
                      So they have the Bonus Point
                      system in the 2nd tier competition ... but not in the 1st
                      Tier? WTF? Would agree, that would be big result for
                      Portugal - anyone know what the history of Rugby in
                      Portugal and Spain is and how it because introduced as a
                      sport? Nothing to do with the Christian Brothers introduction
                      of the game like they did in Argentina?


                      Nothing to do with the C. Brothers, Hakaman.



                      First club was formed back in the early twenties,
                      nevertheless,the average spaniard doesnt know much
                      about rugby. They think itsAmerican Football, but, in
                      saying that,there are plenty of passionate fans in Spain, as
                      well. When it comes to the games, the turnouts arent too
                      bad. 'Cajasol ciencias', the1st division local club in Seville
                      ,gets around 1000spectatorsat games. Average national
                      attendance is 800 for 1st division clubs.



                      Spainhave improved a lot this year, but at what cost?
                      They have a new French coach,and out of the 30 players
                      in the original squad for the Russia game, almost half were
                      French- who play their clubrugby in France not Spain.







                      read about that too, apparently they justify it
                      by saying the majority of those French lads are from the
                      Basque/Catalunya region and don't really pay much heed
                      to the Spain-France border
                      [img]smileys/confused.gif[/img]


                      Indeed. Iassumed the residency rule wouldve applied
                      to Spain as well?I watched the Russia game with a couple
                      of local seasoned veterans and they were fuming over the
                      non-inclusion of 'their own' lads, saying they're going down
                      the mercenary route, where theend result will bebetter
                      results,but littleor no homegrown development.





                      Hard to know, success tends to attract support. If the
                      players have Spanish parents then it's nothing that the
                      bigger international teams don't do.

                      The Russians have their own pro league, the Georgian's
                      have a good few players in france, as do Romania iirc, so
                      to compete Spain and Portugal are going to have to find
                      pro outlets for their own players, or find pro players to play
                      for them.

                      Georgia are ranked 15th (68.21) by the IRB, with a
                      coaching staff that includes Sean Fitzpatrick and Michael
                      Bradley, could they be pushing towards Italy's ranking
                      (12th, 72.86) soon, if Italy continue to lose games?

                      The majority of the French players included have no family connection to Spain.


                      Its hard to know alright, on the flip side, the frenchinclusions might turnthe'real' Spanish rugbysupportersoff watching, which is the impression ive been getting from the ones ive talked to.


                      Joey,there's plenty of foreigners playing in all the'big'Spanish clubs already. Theissue is with the oneswho have been included over recent months at national levelwhohappen to playtheir club rugby in France.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by kahalui


                        The majority of the French players included have no
                        family connection to Spain.


                        Its hard to know alright, on the flip side, the
                        french inclusions might turn the 'real' Spanish
                        rugby supporters off watching, which is the impression ive
                        been getting from the ones ive talked to.


                        Joey, there's plenty of foreigners playing in all
                        the 'big' Spanish clubs already. The issue is with the
                        ones who have been included over recent months at
                        national level who happen to play their club rugby in
                        France.
                        You sure they've no connection? Afaik, the IRB rules apply
                        to everyone.
                        It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

                        Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JoeyFantastic
                          Originally posted by kahalui



                          The majority of the French players included have no
                          family connection to Spain.



                          Its hard to know alright, on the flip side, the
                          frenchinclusions might turnthe'real' Spanish
                          rugbysupportersoff watching, which is the impression ive
                          been getting from the ones ive talked to.



                          Joey,there's plenty of foreigners playing in all
                          the'big'Spanish clubs already. Theissue is with the
                          oneswho have been included over recent months at
                          national levelwhohappen to playtheir club rugby in
                          France.

                          You sure they've no connection? Afaik, the IRB rules apply
                          to everyone.

                          Thats what i originallysuspected as well.


                          I asked people in the know down here about the IRB rules in this case, they said they werent applied and that the players dont have family ties


                          Ill see if i can find a newspaper articleor something re. the matter


                          Joey, success might attract support in a country like Ireland but, for the averagespaniard to take interest in rugby,Spain wouldve to be competing at the highest level and winning, otherwise, there'd be little or no interest, because they're used to winning things

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                            #14
                            Theres talk of the Germans entering a team in the Amlin next
                            season.

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                              #15


                              Originally posted by dropkick
                              Theres talk of the Germans entering a team in the Amlin next
                              season.

                              I think there was some talk of the Wild Titans entering it a few seasons back alright but seems it was delayed

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