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    One is that, like England when they beat Scotland, we need to bear in mind we beat a very ordinary team. Great performance and we finally put to the sword a "top team" in these circumstances. But as I and others said in the run up to the game, England are creating players who are muscle bound trundlers. We are getting our players into shape to be dynamic, powerful and agile rugby players. If we played with the speed of the games against Wales and France the English won't handle it. That proved to be the case. No biggy really cos we did a number on them.


    A thing that does concern me is that something we discussed on here in the autumn. The games against SA and Australia were 60 and 50 point performances that only produced around 2/3s of the points they should have. The same should be said of this game and this 6N.


    Against Wales we could have scored another 10 points. It didn't cost us.
    Against England we could have scored another 20 points. It didn't cost us.
    Against France we could have scored another 10-12 points. It cost us. Just 3 of those would have got us a draw, 6a win.


    This is still the gap between us and NZ. They don't create more chances than us, they take a higher % of the ones they do create. When we are taking 75-80% of thepoints we create chances for, then we will win a GS or even a WC. Until then we're still just short.

    #2
    Originally posted by Evil Omer


    Against France we could have scored another 10-12 points. It cost us.


    Against France we could/should have conceededanother 10-15 points. It could have cost them.
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      #3
      Indeed we only played for about 20mins v france & failed to create
      many linebreaks against them. On balance, we shouldn't have been in a
      position to win that match in the end. We were poor but we almost
      robbed them due to the courage & skill of our players. I cant
      understand how people say we played well against Fra.
      Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again (like picking Gordon D'Arcy) and expecting different results.
      Albert Einstein

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        #4
        The pack was great in the second half against France, but that's still only half a match. Yesterday it was more like 65 mins. For the ABs it's going to have to be 80 mins + plus the ABs would have scored off the loose kicking from ROG and BOD in the first half.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Evil Omer



          This is still the gap between us and NZ.*
          /P]
          No s**t sherlock!

          We couldn't beat France at home and now many attribute that loss
          to the absence of one player. We haven't beaten France for years.

          The ABs crushed France, simply destroyed them with two different
          teams,

          We have won nothing. Nothing. We can't win our NH Championship.

          Ireland are a good side but the hype is getting ridiculous.

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            #6
            I couldn't disagree more with your view on the French match Omer. I think we were lucky to be winning after 78 minutes.

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              #7
              It took us two opportunities to get our act together and play to our potential at Croke Park....

              People have been banging on about the Croke Park effect and all that malarkie...

              Tne stark reality is that these players are paid professionals. When it gets down to the business end of the RWC (QF and on), we will have one chance and one chance only! There will be no seconds...


              \'For he that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart\'.
              Henry V - Battle of Agincourt 1415

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                #8
                The ease which with France are winning the GS while also giving a few
                players a run out will have been noticed down under (Henry is sleeping
                well). Ireland would need to do improve by between 30 and 50% to even
                begin to start thinking about giving the AB's a game. We cant beat
                France who are the only NH side that would compare to the big 3 south
                of the equator. Even Argentina are far far better than Eng, Wal, Sco
                & Ita at the present moment.



                As I said, the french match was the one we needed to win & we
                failed against a french team with a new half back partnership.:
                They also scored 43 points against us last year. they'll be 20% to 30%
                better for the WC with their players together for 3 months before hand
                and playing at home. We have no chance of beating them unless something
                radical changes. I think some of the players have the capacity for self
                criticism & evaluation that would produce a big improvement but the
                coach is still making errors that he was making 3 or 4 years ago &
                doesn't look like showing any sign of recognising his faults.
                Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again (like picking Gordon D'Arcy) and expecting different results.
                Albert Einstein

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                  #9


                  ONE THING TO BEAR IN MIND IS HOW MUCH THIS TEAM HAS IMPROVED OVER THE LAST 18 MTHS .AGAINST THE AB'S WE WRE HAMMERED 18 MTHS AGO LAST JUNE THE MARGIN IN NZ WAS DOWN TO 10 POINTS. SIX MORE MONTHS TO WC IF THE IMPROVEMENT CONTINUES A PACE WE WILLTAKE BOTH FRANCE AND AB'S.


                  18 mths

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by inside outside


                    ONE THING TO BEAR IN MIND IS HOW MUCH THIS TEAM HAS IMPROVED OVER THE LAST 18 MTHS .AGAINST THE AB'S WE WRE HAMMERED 18 MTHS AGO LAST JUNE THE MARGIN IN NZ WAS DOWN TO 10 POINTS. SIX MORE MONTHS TO WC IF THE IMPROVEMENT CONTINUES A PACE WE WILLTAKE BOTH FRANCE AND AB'S.


                    18 mths





                    But we didn't play the full All Blacks on last summer's tour.Our full first choice XV played an All Blacks XV.


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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Old Dog
                      Originally posted by inside outside


                      ONE THING TO BEAR IN MIND IS HOW MUCH THIS TEAM HAS IMPROVED OVER THE LAST 18 MTHS .AGAINST THE AB'S WE WRE HAMMERED 18 MTHS AGO LAST JUNE THE MARGIN IN NZ WAS DOWN TO 10 POINTS. SIX MORE MONTHS TO WC IF THE IMPROVEMENT CONTINUES A PACE WE WILLTAKE BOTH FRANCE AND AB'S.


                      18 mths





                      But we didn't play the full All Blacks on last summer's tour.Our full first choice XV played an All Blacks XV.





                      I dunno Old Dog. withoutwishing to go through the teams on the two occasions last June player for player, there won't be many who played for the ABs who will not be in the RWC 30...there were no bad players there. They were all worthy All Blacks, (Rawlinson possibly excepted) and the Irish also had afew players (Young, Boss, Trimble, even R and N Best) who were short on international experience in the 22.


                      That said, progress cannot be explained theoretically like it is above; The ABs are #1, the French on a good day are #2 and the Irish are in a group of three or four others who would like to think that they are #3, along with AUS, RSA, ENG.

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                        #12

                        Originally posted by Riptide




                        We have won nothing. Nothing. We can't win our NH Championship.



                        Ireland are a good side but the hype is getting ridiculous.

                        We beleive in Nothing, Nothing Lebowski,






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                          #13


                          There are 2 areas I am concerned abouit after Saturday's great win.


                          1. What is going on with our restarts? We cannot seem to secure opposition kickoffs at the moment.


                          2. What impact is pressure/ expectation having on this team?


                          On Saturday the team played with a confidence and assurance that has been noticably missing in our earlier 2 games. I am worried that the pressure to win the Grand Slam hampered the first 2 performances.


                          If that is the case then the perception that We are a team of chokers is closer to the truth than we might like to admit [img]smileys/sad.gif[/img].

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by HurlerOnDeDitch


                            There are 2 areas I am concerned abouit after Saturday's great win.


                            1. What is going on with our restarts? We cannot seem to secure opposition kickoffs at the moment.


                            2. What impact is pressure/ expectation having on this team?


                            On Saturday the team played with a confidence and assurance that has been noticably missing in our earlier 2 games. I am worried that the pressure to win the Grand Slam hampered the first 2 performances.


                            If that is the case then the perception that We are a team of chokers is closer to the truth than we might like to admit [img]smileys/sad.gif[/img].


                            Agree with your second point but our restarts were massively improved - some awesome fielding by POC.

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                              #15

                              Originally posted by Evil Omer

                              Against Wales we could have scored another 10 points. It didn't cost us.
                              Against England we could have scored another 20 points. It didn't cost us.
                              Against France we could have scored another 10-12 points. It cost us. Just 3 of those would have got us a draw, 6a win.


                              This is still the gap between us and NZ. They don't create more chances than us, they take a higher % of the ones they do create. When we are taking 75-80% of thepoints we create chances for, then we will win a GS or even a WC. Until then we're still just short.
                              Wales could have scored 10-14 points it did cost them
                              France could have scored 10-20 points it didn't cost them

                              If France take 75-80% of their points as you mention Ireland should do, then god help us all, if there is any team at the moment who don't convert opportunities to points its them.
                              As the 6 nations shows each game has to be taken on its own. Come the World cup this will also apply and if Ireland meet the likes of NZ on their day off (which seems to happen at every WC) then Ireland will probably win

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