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    NZR vs NRL...... yes, Union vs League hybrid

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nz-...25-p5563r.htmlhttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nz-...25-p5563r.html

    New Zealand Rugby confirmed it is considering a proposal to play an historic cross-code clash between the All Blacks and the Kangaroos but key figures fear the showdown may fall over due to news leaking before a deal was struck.

    Both the Australian Rugby League and the New Zealand Rugby confirmed on Thursday they are considering the potentially historic clash, under a mixed rules format, following a proposal put forward by promoter Dean Lonergan for a game in early December.

    Lonergan, who put on the Jeff Horn-Manny Pacquaio fight in Brisbane in 2017, has been pitching a proposal for a clash between the world's best league and union sides for several years.

    The COVID-19 financial crisis provided a more willing ear than normal from NZR and it agreed at a board meeting early this week to continue exploring the proposal, which would have the game played in Australia and be put out to tender to state governments to host.

    But multiple sources with knowledge of the delicate negotiations have told the Herald the concept could already be dead in the water.

    Sources have said the public airing of the proposal before both parties had got anywhere close to signing a deal will put the match in jeopardy, with concerns about how NZR will now respond to a backlash from the rugby-mad nation, given it is highly protective of the All Blacks' brand.

    On the Australian side of the ledger, sources within League Central were not pleased to see the proposal made public given it was far from nailed down.

    While senior NRL and ARLC figures have held discussions with Lonergan and NZR in the last two months, the Herald has learned clubs were blindsided by news of a potential clash being organised for December 5.

    That will prove problematic as Kangaroos players would, under annual leave entitlements, then not return to preseason training until January 30.

    Proposals for hybrid cross-code clashes from promoters are not new but have rarely got far, with difficulty in dreaming up a fair balance between the rules of the 13 and 15-man games, and with both codes wary of the damage that would be done by losing.

    The reason New Zealand agreed to take a second look this time is due to the unprecedented financial stress of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    NZR pulls the large majority of their revenue each year from All Blacks Tests, and though there will be as many as four Bledisloe Cup Tests and potentially a Rugby Championship, the Kiwis will suffer a multi-million dollar shortfall in 2020 due lucrative inbound July Tests being cancelled and with a European tour in November also certain to be scrubbed.

    Sources with knowledge of the Kangaroos-All Blacks proposal say the forecasted turnover for the match would be above $15 million and a healthy profit could be taken after costs were subtracted.

    "We must be very clear that our priority is for the All Blacks to play international rugby for the remainder of the year and we've talked about the uncertainty around that," NZR boss Mark Robinson said.

    "But we've had the option put to us of this hybrid game with the Kangaroos. It's one of many different scenarios in a unique year like this that we are considering with being innovative and having a focus on trying to consider revenue-generating ideas at this time given the financial climate that we're in."

    Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan told the Herald he was not concerned about the All Blacks taking on the "other" Australian team.

    "I’m not going to lose sleep over it," McLennan said. "If it happens it happens. We have bigger fish to fry."

    New Zealand Rugby League boss Greg Peters says if the Kangaroos are going to play any team at the end of the year, it should be the Kiwis - not the All Blacks.

    Peters was in charge of SANZAAR back in 2013 when a Kangaroos and Wallabies hybrid game was floated, and just as he was sceptical back then, was not expecting the latest cross-code clash to proceed.

    "If the Kangaroos play anybody, we want them to play the Kiwis, which has always been an annual event,'' Peters told the Herald.

    "Given the [COVID] challenges this season has already presented and the late finish to the NRL competition, we didn't think any Tests against the Kangaroos would be possible.

    "I've heard the [hybrid] concept pitched before and it's never got up. It would take a lot of work to get off the ground.''

    He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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    League don´t have scrums or rucks or lineouts or mauls......

    How is this going to work without favouring 1 side.....
    He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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      #3
      another link here....
      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/serio...and-kangaroos/

      the NZR and NRL must be desperate for cash.

      I wonder why the kangaroos don´t play the wallabies.... there's enough spite between that code there already...
      He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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        #4
        Originally posted by i_like_cake View Post
        League don´t have scrums or rucks or lineouts or mauls......

        How is this going to work without favouring 1 side.....
        The proposed rules are:
        14 a side
        No pushing in scrums
        No lineouts (kicks to touch lead to a scrum)
        Tackle zone like union (competition on the ground)
        Only 8 "rucks" allowed before the ball is turned over


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          #5
          no lineouts........ loco...

          i will watch it for the lunacy, i think they are betting on that fact.... we all will...
          He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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            #6
            https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/%2...5adf11a16cb637

            Former New Zealand rugby coach Steve Hansen has been consulted on constructing a set of rules to ensure a Kangaroos-All Blacks hybrid game would be a trans-Tasman sporting success.

            The Courier-Mail has exclusively obtained the rules for the proposed Kangaroos-All Blacks showdown - dubbed ‘HISTORY’ - which would be played on Saturday, December 5 this year.

            Hansen, the ex-All Blacks coach, has recommended a 14-a-side game - the perfect compromise between rugby league’s 13 players and the 15 which take part in rugby union.

            Lineouts would be scrapped, while scrums would be non-contestable, league-style pack-downs to avoid the risk of injury for Kangaroos forward who do not practise scrummaging like their rugby counterparts.

            Scrum will pack down but they won’t be contested.

            A kick out on the full or a kick which finds touch would result in a scrum.

            Once a player is tackled, there will be no play-the-ball as witnessed in rugby league. Instead, the hybrid fixture would see a ruck-and-maul style breakdown, where the ball carrier immediately plants the ball on the ground for play to continue.

            The All Blacks and Kangaroos would have a maximum of eight tackles or ‘drives’ to hold possession. Once the last tackle is reached, the team in possession must kick or face an immediate turnover to the other side.

            A try will be worth four points, with a possible bonus for a five-point try if the tryscorer touches down directly under the goalposts.

            Penalty goals and field goals in rugby union are worth three points, but under the hybrid format, all goals, including conversions, would be worth two points.

            Other key rules will be on the table for discussion if the NZR and NRL agree to the contest.
            He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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              If you're the Australian Rugby Union, or the New Zealand Rugby League, this has to really **** you off.

              I can't help feeling that it really diminishes the Wallabies to have the Kangaroos set up as some sort of ultimate show down for the ABs.
              "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

              "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


              "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                #8
                Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post

                If you're the Australian Rugby Union, or the New Zealand Rugby League, this has to really **** you off.

                I can't help feeling that it really diminishes the Wallabies to have the Kangaroos set up as some sort of ultimate show down for the ABs.
                NZRL are more interested in playing Tonga than the Kangaroos and I suspect the ARU would be delighted with the All Blacks beating the Kangaroos as it would showcase rugby union as the superior sport

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post
                  NZRL are more interested in playing Tonga than the Kangaroos and I suspect the ARU would be delighted with the All Blacks beating the Kangaroos as it would showcase rugby union as the superior sport

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                  This might...might...hold if the Wallabies were playing the Kangaroos.
                  "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                  "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                  "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by i_like_cake View Post
                    League don´t have scrums or rucks or lineouts or mauls......

                    How is this going to work without favouring 1 side.....
                    Hmm last time was... erm...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5jEZCiJsz8

                    followed by

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dzv0CclzKE
                    He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is.

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