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  • Mumhain
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    The players who will be under 21s next season should be stepping up to play other levels.
    With international rugby and everything else the way they will be with pro rugby the guys who will be under 21s will be needed even more for the pro squads.
    The next players will be playing 20s.

    Again, there are always extra gaps in club/provincial squads when the internationals are away during the six nations. I don't see why this should be used as justification to cancel the remaining six nations matches, any more than any other year, especially when there are only 3 games left.

    Some of the next crop of under-20 players could have been with under-21 squad, most of next year's under-20s would be with their interprovincial under-20 squads, which is what they would have been doing anyway at that time of the year.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Mumhain View Post

    The Irish under-20 squad usually only come together at around Christmas.

    Are you honestly arguing that an Ireland under 20 team, half of whom will be playing club-rugby or in sub-academies, have more scheduling constraints than the Ireland senior team, most of whom will have to play close to 40 games of professional senior rugby?

    If we are using the argument that the under-20 players will miss out on the opportunity to play with their provinces/clubs while the senior Internationals are away, then why don’t we just get rid of the six nations under-20 championship altogether, as that happens every year.
    The players who will be under 21s next season should be stepping up to play other levels.
    With international rugby and everything else the way they will be with pro rugby the guys who will be under 21s will be needed even more for the pro squads.
    The next players will be playing 20s.


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  • Mumhain
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    20s isnt the same as the mens or womens games. Coaches will be working with the next cohort and building for their games. Players more likely going to be playing with their provinces/clubs.
    The Irish under-20 squad usually only come together at around Christmas.

    Are you honestly arguing that an Ireland under 20 team, half of whom will be playing club-rugby or in sub-academies, have more scheduling constraints than the Ireland senior team, most of whose teams will be scheduled to play close to 40 games of professional senior rugby?

    If we are using the argument that the under-20 players will miss out on the opportunity to play with their provinces/clubs while the senior Internationals are away, then why don’t we just get rid of the six nations under-20 championship altogether, as that happens every year.
    Last edited by Mumhain; 5-August-2020, 14:55.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Mumhain View Post

    Very poor and sparse press release that makes the under-20 championship look very amateurish. You'd think they could give some justification or follow up as to why the under-20 championship was cancelled due to "scheduling constraints" and the mens/womens is going ahead, while appearing to have the same, if not more constraints.
    20s isnt the same as the mens or womens games. Coaches will be working with the next cohort and building for their games. Players more likely going to be playing with their provinces/clubs.

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  • Mumhain
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    Unfair they dont get to finish the games as will really affect many contract negotiations and it will be the end of quite a few players international rugby careers now.
    Wouldnt agree bit about England/France
    Very poor and sparse press release that makes the under-20 championship look very amateurish. You'd think they could give some justification or follow up as to why the under-20 championship was cancelled due to "scheduling constraints" and the mens/womens is going ahead, while appearing to have the same, if not more constraints.



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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Mumhain View Post
    Massively unfair on the Irish under-20 lads. Not only do they not get to finish their remaining under 20 matches, it has also been announced that there will be no winner for the 2020 under-20 six nations.

    Find it very hard to believe that if England or France were top of the table, requiring one win, with two matches remaining and clearly the best team in the competition, that they wouldn’t be crowned the default champions.

    https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/2020...art-announced/
    Unfair they dont get to finish the games as will really affect many contract negotiations and it will be the end of quite a few players international rugby careers now.
    Wouldnt agree bit about England/France


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  • Mumhain
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    Massively unfair on the Irish under-20 lads. Not only do they not get to finish their remaining under 20 matches, it has also been announced that there will be no winner for the 2020 under-20 six nations.

    Find it very hard to believe that if England or France were top of the table, requiring one win, with two matches remaining and clearly the best team in the competition, that they wouldn’t be crowned the default champions.

    https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/2020...art-announced/

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  • Mumhain
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    if they were to finish off the 2020 6 nations you would hope they would look at more under 20s and not bring in u19s who would have the 2021 games to play.
    I’d be inclined to agree with you in general, but I could also understand if McNamara did decide to bring in 1 or 2 players, if they clearly improved the chances of winning the grand slam. I’m thinking about the propping department in particular, as the scrum was under pressure for most of the tournament and outside of Clarkson, nobody made much of an impact in the loose.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Mumhain View Post
    McNamara hopeful that Ireland under-20s will get to compete for Grand Slam


    With last year's under 19s now out of school, would be interesting to see if McNamara kept with the squad that got them to that point or if he brought in a few of the very talented under 19s.
    if they were to finish off the 2020 6 nations you would hope they would look at more under 20s and not bring in u19s who would have the 2021 games to play.

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  • Mumhain
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    McNamara hopeful that Ireland under-20s will get to compete for Grand Slam


    With last year's under 19s now out of school, would be interesting to see if McNamara kept with the squad that got them to that point or if he brought in a few of the very talented under 19s.
    Last edited by Mumhain; 14-July-2020, 15:39.

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  • ScrummieMan
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    Where are this years 20's headed:

    Prop
    Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC) - Leinster Academy Y2
    Charlie Ward(Tullow RFC/Clontarf) - Connacht Academy Y1
    Marcus Hanan(Clane RFC/Old Belvedere) - Leinster Academy?
    Harry Noonan(Greystones RFC/Old Wesley)
    Ryan McMahon(Clongowes/Old Belvedere)
    Ciaran Ryan(Rockwell/Cashel)

    Hanan may get a leinster deal, certainly expect he will be given the preseason to try and earn a spot.

    Hooker
    Tom Stewart(BRA/Ballynahinch)(u19) - Ulster Academy Y2
    John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere) - Leinster Academy?
    Bobby Sheehan(Clongowes/UCD) - Leinster Academy?

    Could see both McKee and Sheehan in preseason trial for academy spot.

    Lock
    Tom Ahern(Waterpark RFC/Shannon) - Munster Academy Y3
    Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf) - Leinster Academy Y2
    Eoin O'Connor(Waterpark RFC/Young Munster) - Munster Academy Y2
    Paddy Kelly(St. Munchins/Garryowen) - Munster Academy Y2
    Cian Prendergast(Newbridge/UCD) - Connacht Academy Y1
    Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC)(u19) - Leinster Academy?

    Expect McCarthy to join Leinster academy.

    Backrow
    David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge) - Ulster Academy Y3
    Josh Dunne(Exile/Galwegians) - Connacht Academy Y3
    Sean O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD) - Leinster Academy?
    Alex Soroka(Belvedere/DUFC)(u19) - Leinster Academy?
    Mark Hernan(St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - Leinster Academy?
    Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/DUFC)
    Cian Hurley(CBC Cork/Garryowen)

    Expect Hernan, SOB and Soroka to join Leinster academy. Hurley will try to get an academy place in Munster this summer.

    Scrumhalf
    Lewis Finlay(Down HS/Malone) - Ulster Academy Y1
    Ben Murphy(Pres Bray/Clontarf)(u19)
    Conor McKee(Sullivan Upper/Queens)(u19) - Ulster Sub Academy

    Expect Murphy to return for 2nd season in sub academy.

    Outhalf
    Jack Crowley(Bandon/Cork Con) - Munster Academy Y1
    Cathal Forde(Coláiste Iognáid/Corinthians)(u19) - Connacht Academy Y1
    Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/UCD)(u19)

    Expect Corkery to return for 2nd season in sub academy.

    Centre
    Hayden Hyde(Exile/Queens) - Ulster Academy Y2
    Dan Kelly(Exile/Leicester)(u19) - Leicester Tigers Academy
    Luis Faria(Wanderers/DUFC)
    Harry O'Riordan(CBC Cork/UCC)(u19)

    O'Riordan missed out on Munster academy, but may join later in the year.

    Back Three
    Oran McNulty(Exile/Corinthians) - Connacht Academy Y3
    Aaron Sexton(Down HS/Queens) - Ulster Academy Y2
    Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Clontarf) - Leinster Academy Y1-2
    Ethan McIlroy(Methody/Queens) - Ulster Academy Y1
    Diarmuid Kilgallen(Roscrea/Galwegians)
    Niall Comerford(Blackrock/UCD)
    Max O'Reilly(St. Gerards/DUFC)
    Ben Moxham(Ballymena/Ballymena)(u19)

    Comerford & O'Reilly may get a trial this summer for Leinster.

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  • Mumhain
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    I dont think it is and if you're putting resources aside for these aides then you're going to want to do it right so it'll be close to or as much as any normal year and just one side so where are many countries going to get funding for coaches and everything else for another squad of 35+ and coaching team of 8/9.

    How much does it cost to fund your average under-20 team coaching team? It’s not like countries are employing Rassie Erasumus as head coach of their under 20 team. It's not exactly another new 35+ squad of players either, it's the deferral of the previous year's under-20 team, in which some financial resources will have already been put aside.

    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    and moving to 21s doesnt work then as if you move back to 20s at some stage another year group loses out on playing 20s when they were of the age.
    Yes, but you are at least giving every player, from the two age groups, some chance of playing an under 20 rugby World Cup. It’s not ideal, but it’s clearly better than completely cutting off one age group, from the chance of playing in an under 20 world championship.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Mumhain View Post

    To me, it’s a waste of the resources already put into these under 20 teams, to completely abandon their world championships. You would assume that most nations would have put aside some financial resources for this year’s under 20 teams, anyway.

    If two competitions aren’t feasible, I would prefer they moved the age-grade back up to under-21, for next year.
    I dont think it is and if you're putting resources aside for these aides then you're going to want to do it right so it'll be close to or as much as any normal year and just one side so where are many countries going to get funding for coaches and everything else for another squad of 35+ and coaching team of 8/9.
    and moving to 21s doesnt work then as if you move back to 20s at some stage another year group loses out on playing 20s when they were of the age.

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  • Mumhain
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post

    I dont see any under 20s games happening.
    the countries will have moved on to the next age group. Unfortunate for some of the under 20s without contracts or chance to play in a world cup.
    under 21 and 20 world championships wouldnt really be feasible imo. what of coaches and resources there. Whatever of bigger rugby countries who may be able to devote resources to 2 sides. Smaller wouldnt.
    To me, it’s a waste of the resources already put into these under 20 teams, to completely abandon their world championships. You would assume that most nations would have put aside some financial resources for this year’s under 20 teams, anyway.

    If two competitions aren’t feasible, I would prefer they moved the age-grade back up to under-21, for next year.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Mumhain View Post

    There isn't any mention of the under 20 games in the "Autumn Six Nations" plans, so I'm assuming those games are indefinitely called off.

    I think having both an under 21 and under 20 world championships would be a great idea. As you've said, there are often guys that go from not being in the Ireland under 20 six nations squad to earning an academy contracts based on their JWC performances (Vakh Abdaladze and Dan Sheehan spring to mind).
    I dont see any under 20s games happening.
    the countries will have moved on to the next age group. Unfortunate for some of the under 20s without contracts or chance to play in a world cup.
    under 21 and 20 world championships wouldnt really be feasible imo. what of coaches and resources there. Whatever of bigger rugby countries who may be able to devote resources to 2 sides. Smaller wouldnt.

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