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    #61
    Oh yes. If Dunners and Strings had been picked on the basis of what they had done (like Rob was picked) rathet than on their future potential, then both would have well over the hundred.

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      #62
      Kearney's not getting back unless he unseats Larmour for Leinster and it's hard to see that happening barring an injury to Larmour.

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        #63
        Originally posted by whimpersnap View Post
        Kearney's not getting back unless he unseats Larmour for Leinster and it's hard to see that happening barring an injury to Larmour.
        Even if Larmour is injured, both Hugo Keenan and Jimmy O'Brien have looked more dynamic than Rob at FB in the past couple of seasons.

        Erse end of nowhere

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          #64
          I think it’s interesting to see where Farrell will go with this team. Obviously it’s very early on in the season and it’s difficult at the moment to truly gage the ability and form, etc. when selecting a squad. When you’re talking about form it’s easy to look at Leinster and think that they’re all fantastic without considering that it’s a lot easier to look good when you're playing in a poor HC group. I’m not denying that they’re good, obviously they’re an excellent side, but it needs to be put in to context. If you look at two wingers, for example, Earls and D Kearney, Earls may have had limited opportunities in some very difficult games but he’s done very well with what he has had but you then compare it to someone like Dave Kearney who is playing really well at the moment and on paper would probably seem to be in the better form but you’re not comparing like to like in my opinion. At the end of the day, it’s about who can make the step up from cup rugby and play at the top. Who can bring that added quality that’s needed at this level, it’s a different game completely to Pro14/Cup rugby each week. Some players ceilings are international test level rugby but others are cup level players, there’s nothing wrong with that. That’s just the way it is. It’s trying to differentiate between the two is crucial, thankfully that’s up to the coaches.
          Last edited by Stringer9; 18th-December-2019, 00:42.
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          Stringer is bigger even than his own immense shadow. Pound for pound, he is the best tackler in the world. If you put him into bag of cats he\'d come out without a scratch. He was hit very late for Murphy\'s try. And when he got up, as we knew he would, the crowd cried his name as if he had just fixed the economy.Billy Keane-After Munster\'s famous loss to the AB\'s.

          The Bull-Truly irreplaceable, a mountain of a man. 100 caps!!

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            #65
            Originally posted by Stringer9 View Post
            I think it’s interesting to see where Farrell will go with this team. Obviously it’s very early on in the season and it’s difficult at the moment to truly gage the ability and form, etc. when selecting a squad. When you’re talking about form it’s easy to look at Leinster and think that they’re all fantastic without considering that it’s a lot easier to look good when you're playing in a poor HC group. I’m not denying that they’re good, obviously they’re an excellent side, but it needs to be put in to context. If you look at two wingers, for example, Earls and D Kearney, Earls may have had limited opportunities in some very difficult games but he’s done very well with what he has had but you then compare it to someone like Dave Kearney who is playing really well at the moment and on paper would probably seem to be in the better form but you’re not comparing like to like in my opinion. At the end of the day, it’s about who can make the step up from cup rugby and play at the top. Who can bring that added quality that’s needed at this level, it’s a different game completely to Pro14/Cup rugby each week. Some players ceilings are international test level rugby but others are cup level players, there’s nothing wrong with that. That’s just the way it is. It’s trying to differentiate between the two is crucial, thankfully that’s up to the coaches.
            Agree that it's easier to shine in a successful team. Hopefully the coaches can see past this. I think selection has to be an intelligent blend of past performance/current form. Re. your example - I would still rate Earls as, overall, the best wing in Ireland. I think he will be nailed on for the forseeable future unless a few poor perfomances at international (not provincial) level rule him out.

            I would not agree that Leinster are playing in a poor group. They are just a very good team and hard to beat. They just thrashed the Premier League leaders, Saints, twice in a row without working up much of a sweat.
            Erse end of nowhere

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              #66


              Originally posted by Stringer9 View Post
              I think it’s interesting to see where Farrell will go with this team. Obviously it’s very early on in the season and it’s difficult at the moment to truly gage the ability and form, etc. when selecting a squad. When you’re talking about form it’s easy to look at Leinster and think that they’re all fantastic without considering that it’s a lot easier to look good when you're playing in a poor HC group. I’m not denying that they’re good, obviously they’re an excellent side, but it needs to be put in to context. If you look at two wingers, for example, Earls and D Kearney, Earls may have had limited opportunities in some very difficult games but he’s done very well with what he has had but you then compare it to someone like Dave Kearney who is playing really well at the moment and on paper would probably seem to be in the better form but you’re not comparing like to like in my opinion. At the end of the day, it’s about who can make the step up from cup rugby and play at the top. Who can bring that added quality that’s needed at this level, it’s a different game completely to Pro14/Cup rugby each week. Some players ceilings are international test level rugby but others are cup level players, there’s nothing wrong with that. That’s just the way it is. It’s trying to differentiate between the two is crucial, thankfully that’s up to the coaches.
              So a group with the top team in France and England is a poor group? Racing 92 are poor this year and the Ospreys are shocking also.

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                #67
                Conway, Earls and Larmour are far and away the best IQ back three in the country at the moment. They’re the most complete players and all in good form. They should have started versus NZ at the RWC and, barring some big change, should be starting this 6Ns.

                If Catt gets our backs to actually move the ball a bit more, they should be a lethal combination.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by ustix View Post

                  Only 2 sevens in that 45 discounting Peter.
                  Leavy makes 3. So much for specialist positions.
                  Might be time to redistribute resources with Penney also a blue.
                  Personally think there has been enough redistribution already, for me we‘re already at the point where provincial identify is at risk unless you’re playing for Leinster. When the first choice Munster pack is 50% from outside the province you’re staring an identity issue in the face, denying it is delusional in my opinion.
                  There are lots of talented kids, Leinster and their underage structures, schools & clubs are doing a much better job identifying them early and hot housing them. The other provinces need to step up and do the same and reduce the reliance on Leinster cast offs. Schools need to go to places like St Michael's and look at way they are doing things and see what they can copy within their budgets
                  No shortage of serious athletes in Kerry football or Tipp hurling, so the raw material is just as good. It’s the way the kids are coached, managed and trained that is the difference. The population aspect will mean Leinster produce more but personally am of the opinion the other provinces should think about a self-imposed limit on the number of Leinster imports.
                  Its no good for anyone if Munster become a watered down Leinster A. Players tend to agree to leave Leinster for a reason, its that they know they wont get picked in the big games - and they all want to play in the big games.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Spiffy View Post

                    Agree that it's easier to shine in a successful team. Hopefully the coaches can see past this. I think selection has to be an intelligent blend of past performance/current form. Re. your example - I would still rate Earls as, overall, the best wing in Ireland. I think he will be nailed on for the forseeable future unless a few poor perfomances at international (not provincial) level rule him out.

                    I would not agree that Leinster are playing in a poor group. They are just a very good team and hard to beat. They just thrashed the Premier League leaders, Saints, twice in a row without working up much of a sweat.
                    I posted this half asleep at 1:30 trying to keep myself awake, waiting on a bottle to warm. I don’t even remember posting this. I think what I meant was that Leinster’s group was easier than ours and it’s easier to look so good when you’re playing teams of less quality.

                    Northampton to be fair are a good Premiership side but not anywhere near Saracens level and Lyon, while doing well in Top 14, that doesn’t always translate to Europe. The same goes for Racing, they mightn’t be doing as well in France but are a top European team and will always be an incredibly tough team to play in Europe. To be honest I’m so sleep deprived at the moment I’m amazed I put coherent words together.
                    Last edited by Stringer9; 18th-December-2019, 21:55.
                    The Maul is Back!! LONG LIVE THE MAUL!!

                    Stringer is bigger even than his own immense shadow. Pound for pound, he is the best tackler in the world. If you put him into bag of cats he\'d come out without a scratch. He was hit very late for Murphy\'s try. And when he got up, as we knew he would, the crowd cried his name as if he had just fixed the economy.Billy Keane-After Munster\'s famous loss to the AB\'s.

                    The Bull-Truly irreplaceable, a mountain of a man. 100 caps!!

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post



                      So a group with the top team in France and England is a poor group? Racing 92 are poor this year and the Ospreys are shocking also.

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                      Racing are targeting Europe and are far from rubbish. In any event I would be surprised if they are not in the top 14 play offs come end season.

                      Plus, are you seriously suggesting that Northampton are a better team than Saracens????

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Stringer9 View Post

                        I posted this half asleep at 1:30 trying to keep myself awake, waiting on a bottle to warm. I don’t even remember posting this. I think what I meant was that Leinster’s group was easier than ours and it’s easier to look so good when you’re playing teams of less quality.

                        Northampton to be fair are a good Premiership side but not even near Saracens level and Lyon, while doing well in Top 14 doesn’t always translate to Europe. The same goes for Racing, they mightn’t being doing as well in France but are a top European team and will always be an incredibly tough team to play in Europe. To be honest I’m so sleep deprived at the moment I’m amazed I put coherent words together.
                        You were far more coherent than the bluffer IJWT

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by LongtimeLurker View Post

                          Personally think there has been enough redistribution already, for me we‘re already at the point where provincial identify is at risk unless you’re playing for Leinster. When the first choice Munster pack is 50% from outside the province you’re staring an identity issue in the face, denying it is delusional in my opinion.
                          There are lots of talented kids, Leinster and their underage structures, schools & clubs are doing a much better job identifying them early and hot housing them. The other provinces need to step up and do the same and reduce the reliance on Leinster cast offs. Schools need to go to places like St Michael's and look at way they are doing things and see what they can copy within their budgets
                          No shortage of serious athletes in Kerry football or Tipp hurling, so the raw material is just as good. It’s the way the kids are coached, managed and trained that is the difference. The population aspect will mean Leinster produce more but personally am of the opinion the other provinces should think about a self-imposed limit on the number of Leinster imports.
                          Its no good for anyone if Munster become a watered down Leinster A. Players tend to agree to leave Leinster for a reason, its that they know they wont get picked in the big games - and they all want to play in the big games.
                          I don't disagree with you Lurker but them 4 boys in blue makes no sense for the Irfu going forward like
                          Gwan Joe!!

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                            #73
                            The problem with teams like Lyon is that they don’t show up. Too many highly seeded sides are far more interested in their domestic competition than in winning in Europe.

                            Seeding based on consistent performance in Europe tends to spread the quality more evenly because it recognises those who are committed to the comp and have the experience in the bank to give it a proper go.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
                              The problem with teams like Lyon is that they don’t show up. Too many highly seeded sides are far more interested in their domestic competition than in winning in Europe.

                              Seeding based on consistent performance in Europe tends to spread the quality more evenly because it recognises those who are committed to the comp and have the experience in the bank to give it a proper go.
                              What was the old seeding? Prior to the Nigel’s?

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post

                                What was the old seeding? Prior to the Nigel’s?
                                As far as I recall it was based on performance in the Heino over the previous few years, with more weight put on more recent years.

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