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    #31
    Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post

    I've got nothing against Ruddock, but he's not a starting test 6.

    O'Mahony, Leamy, Ferris, Stander, O'Brien....he's just not in that bracket for me. He's a solid blindside, but I think him to O'Mahony is about the same gap as TOD to Leavy.


    What sets POM ahead of Ruddock that this stage is the lineout. POM is a menace there that other teams have to worry about, Ruddock isn't. POM's carrying seems to have improved a good bit under the new attacking plan, so that is good to see as well. I'm still taking POM, but that gap isn't as big as the one between a fit Dan Leavy and TOD.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Finnegan79 View Post
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      What sets POM ahead of Ruddock that this stage is the lineout. POM is a menace there that other teams have to worry about, Ruddock isn't. POM's carrying seems to have improved a good bit under the new attacking plan, so that is good to see as well. I'm still taking POM, but that gap isn't as big as the one between a fit Dan Leavy and TOD.
      POM is far superior in the lineout and slightly better at winning turnovers, Ruddock is a far better ball carrier in traffic and better making tackles.

      When you play POM at 6 it means that all teams can target CJ as the backrow ball carrier. It's why most of CJ's best performances recently for Ireland have been with another carrying option in the back row

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        #33
        Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post
        POM is far superior in the lineout and slightly better at winning turnovers, Ruddock is a far better ball carrier in traffic and better making tackles.

        When you play POM at 6 it means that all teams can target CJ as the backrow ball carrier. It's why most of CJ's best performances recently for Ireland have been with another carrying option in the back row

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        With Kilcoyne, Ryan and Henderson available to us, there’s absolutely no reason to be picking Ruddock to do a bit of carrying. He’s a good player who does a great job for his province but is short of top class, like Leo Cullen, Billy Holland and various others over the years.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Finnegan79 View Post
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          What sets POM ahead of Ruddock that this stage is the lineout. POM is a menace there that other teams have to worry about, Ruddock isn't. POM's carrying seems to have improved a good bit under the new attacking plan, so that is good to see as well. I'm still taking POM, but that gap isn't as big as the one between a fit Dan Leavy and TOD.


          I just don't see Ruddock as a world class blindside. POM has dominated matches at Test level, and will again.
          "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

          "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


          "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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            #35
            Well Farrell made the big call...

            Rob K gone, but Dave K still there..??? Toner back in,

            Jordi Murphy, Sean Cronin, Jack Carty, Kieran Marmion and John Ryan all gone too

            Wild cards, Biily Burns, Dave Heffernan. JGP called in

            45-man Ireland squad

            Connacht: Bundee Aki, Caolin Blade, Ultan Dillane, Dave Heffernan, Quinn Roux

            Leinster: Ross Byrne, Will Connors, Max Deegan, Caelan Doris, Tadhg Furlong, Jamison Gibson Park, Cian Healy, Robbie Henshaw, Dave Kearney, Ronan Kelleher, Jordan Larmour, Luke McGrath, Andrew Porter, Garry Ringrose, Rhys Ruddock, James Ryan, Jonathan Sexton, Devin Toner, Josh van der Flier

            Munster: Joey Carbery, Andrew Conway, Keith Earls, Chris Farrell, Mike Haley, Dave Kilcoyne, Jean Kleyn, Conor Murray, Peter O’Mahony, Niall Scannell, Rory Scannell, CJ Stander

            Ulster: Will Addison, Billy Burns, John Cooney, Iain Henderson, Rob Herring, Stuart McCloskey, Marty Moore, Tom O’Toole, Jacob Stockdale


            https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2019/...RFZxJTpf1NuPj4
            Last edited by Sulla; 16-December-2019, 14:54.
            Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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              #36
              6 forwards and 6 backs for Munster
              "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

              Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

              Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                #37
                19, 12, 9, 5
                Burns v JJ don't compute.
                Moore v Ryan?
                Connors and Kelleher, Doris and Deegan the youth.
                Big nod to Tom O Toole
                We've a logjam of centres but no Tom Farrell in a 45 man stocktaking exercise seems strange
                Last edited by ustix; 16-December-2019, 15:30.
                Gwan Joe!!

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post
                  6 forwards and 6 backs for Munster
                  5 and 7 Wlad, could be a first?
                  Gwan Joe!!

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by ustix View Post

                    5 and 7 Wlad, could be a first?
                    You’re right, I miscounted them!
                    "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                    Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                    Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                      #40
                      John Ryan has a calf injury. Given that Carbery and Killer are close to returning to action, I would hope this indicates that POM's issue isn't too serious. It does however give me cause for concern regarding Ryan.
                      Tis but a scratch.

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                        #41
                        I'm surprised by Heffernan being there. Good athlete but terrible darts.


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                          #42
                          Originally posted by ustix View Post
                          19, 12, 9, 5
                          Burns v JJ don't compute.
                          Moore v Ryan?
                          Connors and Kelleher, Doris and Deegan the youth.
                          Big nod to Tom O Toole
                          We've a logjam of centres but no Tom Farrell in a 45 man stocktaking exercise seems strange
                          The Connacht lads have to do an awful lot to get a call up compared to, say, a Leinster starlet.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

                            The Connacht lads have to do an awful lot to get a call up compared to, say, a Leinster starlet.
                            Only 2 sevens in that 45 discounting Peter.
                            Leavy makes 3. So much for specialist positions.
                            Might be time to redistribute resources with Penney also a blue.
                            Gwan Joe!!

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                              #44
                              Connacht's Marmion and Carty have really fallen down the pecking order. Makes you wonder why Marmion re-signed for Connacht.
                              "I don't believe in fairytales," O'Connell once told me, "even though it feels like I've been lucky enough to live through a few. However it ends, I'll feel lucky."
                              Donald McRae, Guardian Rugby, October 2015

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by blackwarrior View Post
                                Connacht's Marmion and Carty have really fallen down the pecking order. Makes you wonder why Marmion re-signed for Connacht.
                                They’ll both be back I’d say. They’re good players who’re just a bit out of form.

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