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Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post
Ringrose now looks to me less than the player he was- and I think that’s the formulaic approach that became the mantra at camp Joe- far too soon to give up on him, on either of them - camp Farrell will be interesting, Catt May make a huge difference to players like Ringrose.
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Originally posted by Yatenga View Post
Dont think thats certain.....there has always been flexibility and who knows what Farrell thinks. I'd say its unlikely he will get back in but if he starts tearing up trees in France he would surely be considered.
Had 2018 gone poorly, the clearing of the dead wood may have begun in time for the WC; the tactics may have been altered to include a bit more expansive play and Schmidt may have realized that micromanaging every last detail wasn't going to cut it, etc. It went well, they looked to be a contender, but like you see in boxing, they "got old" overnight. November to March isn't that long, but they'd been well beaten by both England and Wales, mainly due to the gameplan not functioning and Schmidt having zero solutions as to how to stop the decline.. The Irish guys didn't suddenly become poor players, and the English and Welsh ones, didn't become a great deal better than they already were in that time frame. Hansen looked at his 2018, playing SA pretty much even, barely escaping Twickenham, then losing to Ireland and realized that some things had to change if they were going to win the WC. He made the necessary changes and they are clear favorites despite this being the "most open" WC in recent memory.
Schmidt stuck with what and who had worked even after it was clear that it wasn't really working anymore. That to me is the worst part of the whole mess. Losing is tough to swallow, but I think many people would have found it easier to do so had they at least tried to change things up a good bit after the 6N
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Originally posted by Mumhain View Posthttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rug...move-1.4060634
As the quality of the Irish national team has decreased, it seems like there has been an equal exponential decay in the quality of Irish rugby journalism. Thank god for Murry Kinsella, Neil Treacy and Cian Tracey. Every other journalist seems to be either: (A) Coming out with controversial "hot-takes" as to why Ireland lost, for the sake of coming out with controversial "hot-takes" as to why Ireland lost, (B) Blaming Ireland's form on the amount of players picked from provinces they don't support or (C) Claiming that all of Ireland's selection decisions were spot on and that they could have done no more at the world cup.
This a fairly astonishing article from Thornley. I wouldn't mind if the premise of the article was that Isa Nacewa's opinion was wrong, but if comes across to me more as "How dare Isa Nacewa speak openly and candidly, when asked for his opinion".
The whole world cries out peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie.
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Originally posted by Munsterboy View PostWe’ve a good pack and plenty of good younger forwards coming through.
Key is how much more we can get out of Murray and how we develop our 10/12/13 axis, and 15 too.
If we keep picking a lad as limited as Henshaw at 12 we’ll go nowhere. Farrell is an option - big lad with surprisingly good hands - and McCloskey is similar. Put a second playmaker at 13 or 15 and you’ve got a bit more variety.
Murray really needs to up his game. So horrid seeing him stroll around so many games and not show why hes considered or was considered one of best 9s.
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Originally posted by ormond lad View Postsuch shame henshaw has been turned into such a poor Bosh it up player. When he came through at connacht further out at 13/15 he was so much better. I wonder how much he could improve under a different game plan under Farrell.
Murray really needs to up his game. So horrid seeing him stroll around so many games and not show why hes considered or was considered one of best 9s.
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Originally posted by MunsterTel View Post
Gerry, I don't wanna lose my access to the Irish set-up' Thornley?
I felt that certain commentators (I will not give them journalist status) were fanboys for a long time and never took a critical line until they saw which way the wind was blowing and then decided to get some kicks in.
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Originally posted by ormond lad View Postsuch shame henshaw has been turned into such a poor Bosh it up player. When he came through at connacht further out at 13/15 he was so much better. I wonder how much he could improve under a different game plan under Farrell.
Murray really needs to up his game. So horrid seeing him stroll around so many games and not show why hes considered or was considered one of best 9s.
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Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post
Like your optimism- but unless Zeebs comes back he won’t be considered.Munster – Champions of Europe 2006, 2008, 2020.
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Originally posted by Cowboy View Post.
Just start again, forget everything that's gone before. Start from zero.
"There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.
Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"
Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP
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Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
Murray is an entirely different player when we’re not trucking it up all day and taking an age to recycle. Munster look like they’ll be playing quite a different game this year so we’ll see how that goes.
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So I guess Farrell is going to have to pick which style of rugby we're going to play -
The NZ style - Extremely skilled open style but struggle against hugely physical teams
The English style - Very physical ball carriers, very physical defence
The SA style - Very physical 10 man rugby
The Welsh style - Defensive, low scoring
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Originally posted by In Joe we trust View PostSo I guess Farrell is going to have to pick which style of rugby we're going to play -
The NZ style - Extremely skilled open style but struggle against hugely physical teams
The English style - Very physical ball carriers, very physical defence
The SA style - Very physical 10 man rugby
The Welsh style - Defensive, low scoring
Ireland are similar in style to SA at the moment, one dimensional but not as big.
We need to expand our game, and vary our selection, so we have a few strings to our bow. Don’t have to choose any one of the limited styles you’ve set out.
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Nobody for a try with Tom Farrell at center?Last edited by JN.Allezdax.com; 28th-October-2019, 16:43.The Scots (originally Irish, but by now Scotch) were at this time inhabiting Ireland, having driven the Irish (Picts) out of Scotland; while the Picts (originally Scots) were now Irish (living in brackets) and vice versa. It is essential to keep these distinctions clearly in mind (and verce visa).
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