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    POM was excellent on Saturday.
    "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

    Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

    Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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      Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post
      POM was excellent on Saturday.
      The context though is it was against an Ospreys team missing nearly 20 players and who were the first team ever to lose at home to the Southern Kings team the previous week.

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        Yes, yes, nothing positive can be taken from anything Munster or any Munster player does. Our bonus point win against Ospreys was as nothing compared to Leinster's stout 0-3 against the mighty Zebre a few weeks ago.
        Tis but a scratch.

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          Originally posted by mr chips View Post
          Yes, yes, nothing positive can be taken from anything Munster or any Munster player does. Our bonus point win against Ospreys was as nothing compared to Leinster's stout 0-3 against the mighty Zebre a few weeks ago.
          Defensive master class
          Only fools and drunks argue over everything. If you don’t have a hangover the next day you’re not the drunk...

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            Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post

            Well as a Leinster fan I'm hoping Munster keep playing with a backrow with only 1 ball carrier as it makes it far easier to beat them....
            You seem to have entirely missed my point that TOD’s a pretty effective carrier, which balances POM’s less appreciated work at the breakdown and elsewhere.

            Botha is also on the bench to beef things up if required.

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              Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post

              The context though is it was against an Ospreys team missing nearly 20 players and who were the first team ever to lose at home to the Southern Kings team the previous week.
              He was also actually pretty decent against the All Blacks recently, unlike many of his much-hyped colleagues in green. He’s one for the purists I reckon.

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                Originally posted by mr chips View Post
                Yes, yes, nothing positive can be taken from anything Munster or any Munster player does. Our bonus point win against Ospreys was as nothing compared to Leinster's stout 0-3 against the mighty Zebre a few weeks ago.
                I have no problem saying Leinster were poor or players were poor. After getting the bonus point v Treviso I openly said it was a shocking performance and only about 4 players played well.

                Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

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                  Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post
                  The point remains, though, that not all the back row needs to be ball carriers. That said, if one, say POM, doesn’t carry it then becomes essential that the others do (almost can carry for two) and are in form. Two problems arise from this- picking a non carrying 6 constrains who else is selected- when you do that too much in your selection you lose freedom with how you select and play- along the lines of ‘we have to pick a player like X, because we want to pick Y’. Obviously by doing do you also make the defence’s task a little easier. To me that means the you need more than marginal gains from picking a particular player who, say doesn’t carry well, or a hooker whose throwing is erratic. I am happy, at the moment, that that is the case with POM, who had a huge game on Saturday.

                  The issue with POM isn't with POM in that sense. It's in the fact that we've had Wallace, then O'Brien, as ball carrying 7's. Then Joe's game plan heightened the value of breakdown specialists and line out specialists, as we did relatively little carrying.

                  The most relevant point for me re: his continued selection is that I don't think we have a ball carrying 6 in the country unless we move Conan to 8 and Stander to 6.
                  "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                  "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                  "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                    Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post

                    Wallace, then O'Brien, as ball carrying 7's.
                    Leams
                    Stevie Ferris


                    We used to make these freaking hulks who could knock over a hayshed if you asked them. The hardest carrier in the irish pack is a south african born man now
                    I am the million man.

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                      Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post


                      The issue with POM isn't with POM in that sense. It's in the fact that we've had Wallace, then O'Brien, as ball carrying 7's. Then Joe's game plan heightened the value of breakdown specialists and line out specialists, as we did relatively little carrying.

                      The most relevant point for me re: his continued selection is that I don't think we have a ball carrying 6 in the country unless we move Conan to 8 and Stander to 6.
                      Would you not think Beirne might be a better option at 6?

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                        Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post

                        Would you not think Beirne might be a better option at 6?
                        I still think Beirne is a great player, but the haste that we're showing to usher a 30 year old Lion's test captain off into the yonder seems a bit unseemly to me.

                        Assuming that Beirne will be locking for Munster, it's hard to see how the shift would come.
                        "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                        "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                        "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                          Originally posted by Cowboy View Post

                          Leams
                          Stevie Ferris


                          We used to make these freaking hulks who could knock over a hayshed if you asked them. The hardest carrier in the irish pack is a south african born man now
                          I think a certain Limerick loose head might be there or thereabouts

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                            Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post

                            I still think Beirne is a great player, but the haste that we're showing to usher a 30 year old Lion's test captain off into the yonder seems a bit unseemly to me.

                            Assuming that Beirne will be locking for Munster, it's hard to see how the shift would come.
                            For me it’s not a question of dropping POM, it’s of whether he moves to 7 on some occasions. He plays a vital role extremely well and it’s about complementing him (and CJ), not replacing him.

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                              Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

                              For me it’s not a question of dropping POM, it’s of whether he moves to 7 on some occasions. He plays a vital role extremely well and it’s about complementing him (and CJ), not replacing him.
                              It’s not a question about dropping anyone, it’s really a question of selecting the best team and trying to achieve the correct balance.

                              if the manager feels that POM is the answer then he gets selected, if he’s not the answer he’s not dropped he’s just not selected
                              Only fools and drunks argue over everything. If you don’t have a hangover the next day you’re not the drunk...

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                                Originally posted by Oldschoolsocks View Post

                                It’s not a question about dropping anyone, it’s really a question of selecting the best team and trying to achieve the correct balance.

                                if the manager feels that POM is the answer then he gets selected, if he’s not the answer he’s not dropped he’s just not selected
                                Semantics. For me it’s not a question of “not selecting” POM. He’s still comfortably one of the three best back rowers in the country.

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