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    Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

    Wales were poor in the first half against France, And not much better against Italy- they will certainly be up for it at home, but england managed our game better than anyone else has, they killed France with tactical kicking in behind their wings who play quite far up- these’s a tactical insight in England’s game now that wasn’t there (MItchell?), and more players are playing well/staying fit. Looking like a slam, mores the pity.
    You spoke too soon. Mako out for the rest of the 6Ns. Those Vunipola boys can never stay fit. What odds Billy will pick up a knock before the end of the competition?

    Then Tuilagi will probably get himself banned for something and they’ll be back to looking very ordinary.

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      Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

      You spoke too soon. Mako out for the rest of the 6Ns. Those Vunipola boys can never stay fit. What odds Billy will pick up a knock before the end of the competition?

      Then Tuilagi will probably get himself banned for something and they’ll be back to looking very ordinary.
      Mako limped off against us, and looked worse going off against France. As you say, there could be more to follow him into sick bay. The ‘fagility’ the brothers and Manu is one of the reasons it’s hard to see them winning the RWC, am sorry for the lads themselves.

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        Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

        Mako limped off against us, and looked worse going off against France. As you say, there could be more to follow him into sick bay. The ‘fagility’ the brothers and Manu is one of the reasons it’s hard to see them winning the RWC, am sorry for the lads themselves.
        It's a shame for Mako, but I agree. England look really good with Mako, Billy & Manu in their team, but without them they risk being ordinary. They don't appear either to have a bench with the quality to win an RWC. They might be lucky, but keeping all those guys fit for up to seven matches will be highly unlikely.
        "I don't believe in fairytales," O'Connell once told me, "even though it feels like I've been lucky enough to live through a few. However it ends, I'll feel lucky."
        Donald McRae, Guardian Rugby, October 2015

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          Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

          You spoke too soon. Mako out for the rest of the 6Ns. Those Vunipola boys can never stay fit. What odds Billy will pick up a knock before the end of the competition?

          Then Tuilagi will probably get himself banned for something and they’ll be back to looking very ordinary.
          Genuinely saddened to hear that.
          But that is the consequences of the English playing philosophy.
          Its a very attritional drain on the big carriers.

          Stay cool .None of us are in the brain trust,right!

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            If they were managed by the RFU the outcome would be different.
            \"Only Pienaar, Botha and Ferris would be in contention for a place on our first 15. That\'s a fact.\" - Tickettout\'s take on Ulster April 2011.

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              Originally posted by Talking Sense View Post
              If they were managed by the RFU the outcome would be different.
              Much as we have complained over the years about the IRFU, when you look at the weak, spineless and shortsightedness of the RFU- you quickly realise what a fantastic job they continue to do- andvwith much less resource.

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                Stuart Hogg out for the 6 nations, probably the season, and possibly the world cup.

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                  Originally posted by Dougie View Post
                  Stuart Hogg out for the 6 nations, probably the season, and possibly the world cup.
                  Sorry to hear that, he's a class player and will be missed.

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                    Interesting piece on the lack of TMO interventions

                    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rug...yers-1.3789732 Less leading to more mistakes from officials

                    A pre-tournament directive from World Rugby to reduce the role of the TMO has led to more errors being made by the officials. Think back to Henry Slade’s forward pass to Jonny May for England’s third try in the Aviva.

                    At Murrayfield last Saturday, between them the officials missed Sean Maitland playing Conor Murray’s box kick before it crossed the touchline, wrongly decreeing the kick went out on the full.

                    Admittedly the TMO’s intervention might have seen Peter O’Mahony penalised for blocking Stuart Hogg in the build up to Murray’s try, and likewise Allan Dell and others for late hits on Johnny Sexton.

                    Going back to week one, how was Maro Itoje not carded for clattering into Keith Earls, or Manu Tuilagi mot cited for his high ‘hit’ on Jacob Stockdale? The reduced role of the TMO also runs counter to the early season clampdown on high hits in protecting players. Gerry Thornley
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                      Originally posted by onthe 22 View Post
                      Genuinely saddened to hear that.
                      But that is the consequences of the English playing philosophy.
                      Its a very attritional drain on the big carriers.
                      Maybe we're right to not be overly focussed on the dominant tackle stat in the spring of a RWC year.
                      Gwan Joe!!

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                        Originally posted by Dougie View Post
                        Stuart Hogg out for the 6 nations, probably the season, and possibly the world cup.
                        went back and looked at POM's tackle, could possibly have been a yellow, but what was strange was that Hogg injured his shoulder, but as he goes over he initially puts both hands out to protect himself from the landing then turns his right hand into a fist and this leads to landing hard on his shoulder. If he had kept his hands flat he would presumably have been fine
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                          Originally posted by scotscor View Post

                          went back and looked at POM's tackle, could possibly have been a yellow, but what was strange was that Hogg injured his shoulder, but as he goes over he initially puts both hands out to protect himself from the landing then turns his right hand into a fist and this leads to landing hard on his shoulder. If he had kept his hands flat he would presumably have been fine

                          His landing didn’t look bad, possibly a pre existing injury and unlucky that it happened. Had they gone back it could well have been a yellow, but I see a difference between this one and Itoje on earls, where the injury wasn’t an accident of how he landed but earls was hurt from the initial contact.

                          There was one one call by Poite that I can’t understand, not TMO related but when Aki got longed at our line early in the game he was the tackler, had released and went back in, it was laidlaw that slapped the ball out of his hands.... what was that penalty given for?

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                            Wk
                            Originally posted by Sulla View Post
                            Interesting piece on the lack of TMO interventions

                            https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rug...yers-1.3789732 Less leading to more mistakes from officials

                            A pre-tournament directive from World Rugby to reduce the role of the TMO has led to more errors being made by the officials. Think back to Henry Slade’s forward pass to Jonny May for England’s third try in the Aviva.

                            At Murrayfield last Saturday, between them the officials missed Sean Maitland playing Conor Murray’s box kick before it crossed the touchline, wrongly decreeing the kick went out on the full.

                            Admittedly the TMO’s intervention might have seen Peter O’Mahony penalised for blocking Stuart Hogg in the build up to Murray’s try, and likewise Allan Dell and others for late hits on Johnny Sexton.

                            Going back to week one, how was Maro Itoje not carded for clattering into Keith Earls, or Manu Tuilagi mot cited for his high ‘hit’ on Jacob Stockdale? The reduced role of the TMO also runs counter to the early season clampdown on high hits in protecting players. Gerry Thornley


                            Be very easy for a cynical player / coach / team to come to the conclusion that this will only increase their possibility of getting away with lucrative foul play.

                            Ireland got the benefit of Hogg going off a mess up for Murray’s try, England got the benefit of Earls going off, both from incidents that could well have resulted in cards and given very different outcomes.

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                              I thought Kearney was very lucky for a barge/shoulder charge tackle on our 22 touchline in the first five minutes, we were under the cosh, and should definitely have been a pen and possibly a yellow. Would have had a bearing on the result
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                                Originally posted by lawrence View Post
                                Wk

                                Be very easy for a cynical player / coach / team to come to the conclusion that this will only increase their possibility of getting away with lucrative foul play.

                                Ireland got the benefit of Hogg going off a mess up for Murray’s try, England got the benefit of Earls going off, both from incidents that could well have resulted in cards and given very different outcomes.
                                Yeah, it's open season now on covert cynical hits & targeting of key players, professional fouls, etc, etc, etc GT is right about the missing /poor adjudicating of high hits also

                                i appreciate World Rugby have a balance to strike here, but I really think they've got it badly wrong on this one...

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