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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    Did well to come back but game was littered with our errors and result was more than fair/correct.
    And get over yourself.
    That team has been coming back against deficits since their first meeting with England this year. Have some faith. And no need to get over yourself.

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      The main takeaway for me is how good Thomas Ahern was. He manhandled 120kg (permiership player) Joel Kpoku, in contact on a fair few occasions. He won 3/4 turnovers at line-out time and won one breakdown penalty. The closest thing I've seen to James Ryan, and he still has another year at this level. If he adds another few kgs to his massive 6 foot 8 frame, I think he could pass Wycherley, Holland and O'Shea pretty quickly in the Munster pecking order.

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        Originally posted by Mumhain View Post
        The main takeaway for me is how good Thomas Ahern was. He manhandled 120kg (permiership player) Joel Kpoku, in contact on a fair few occasions. He won 3/4 turnovers at line-out time and won one breakdown penalty. The closest thing I've seen to James Ryan, and he still has another year at this level. If he adds another few kgs to his massive 6 foot 8 frame, I think he could pass Wycherley, Holland and O'Shea pretty quickly in the Munster pecking order.
        Thomas is a great player indeed. Great future ahead hopefully.
        "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

        Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

        Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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          Possible XV for Ireland under-20 next season:

          1. Harry Noonan(Greystones RFC/Old Wesley)
          2. John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere)
          3. Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC)
          4. Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf)
          5. Tom Ahern(Waterpark RFC/Shannon)
          6. Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/DUFC)
          7. Mark Hernan(St. Michaels)
          8. David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge)
          9. Ben Murphy(Pres Bray)
          10. Jack Crowley(Bandon Grammar)
          11. Aaron Sexton(Bangor GS)
          12. Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray/Lansdowne)
          13. Hayden Hyde(Exile)
          14. Andrew Smith(St. Michaels)
          15. Ethan McIlroy(Methody)

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            Down 11 players to injury and still took England to the final play of the game, despite conditions that suited their bigger pack rather than our handling game.

            That’s one of the best U20 squads we’ve ever produced. Serious talent and grit throughout. They deserve an awful lot more than 7/8th place and they can hold their heads high.

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              Originally posted by ScrummieMan View Post
              Possible XV for Ireland under-20 next season:

              1. Harry Noonan(Greystones RFC/Old Wesley)
              2. John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere)
              3. Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC)
              4. Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf)
              5. Tom Ahern(Waterpark RFC/Shannon)
              6. Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/DUFC)
              7. Mark Hernan(St. Michaels)
              8. David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge)
              9. Ben Murphy(Pres Bray)
              10. Jack Crowley(Bandon Grammar)
              11. Aaron Sexton(Bangor GS)
              12. Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray/Lansdowne)
              13. Hayden Hyde(Exile)
              14. Andrew Smith(St. Michaels)
              15. Ethan McIlroy(Methody)

              Looks good and I'm sure there'll be other players under the radar who will step up like Hodnett, Clarkson etc have done this year.

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                Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
                Down 11 players to injury and still took England to the final play of the game, despite conditions that suited their bigger pack rather than our handling game.

                That’s one of the best U20 squads we’ve ever produced. Serious talent and grit throughout. They deserve an awful lot more than 7/8th place and they can hold their heads high.
                Are we losing more players to injury than the other sides?... if so, why's that... Inferior conditioning/physicality??

                Well done to France, making the final again after winning it last year.


                 

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                  Originally posted by ScrummieMan View Post
                  Possible XV for Ireland under-20 next season:

                  1. Harry Noonan(Greystones RFC/Old Wesley)
                  2. John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere)
                  3. Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC)
                  4. Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf)
                  5. Tom Ahern(Waterpark RFC/Shannon)
                  6. Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/DUFC)
                  7. Mark Hernan(St. Michaels)
                  8. David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge)
                  9. Ben Murphy(Pres Bray)
                  10. Jack Crowley(Bandon Grammar)
                  11. Aaron Sexton(Bangor GS)
                  12. Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray/Lansdowne)
                  13. Hayden Hyde(Exile)
                  14. Andrew Smith(St. Michaels)
                  15. Ethan McIlroy(Methody)

                  A back line with sexton and O’Gara.

                  Nice.

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                    Originally posted by neill_m View Post
                    2020 Pools:

                    A 1st, 6th, 7th & Trophy Winner.
                    B 2nd, 5th, 8th and 11th.
                    C 3rd, 4th, 9th and 10th (South Africa, Argentina, Georgia, Italy).
                    As it stands at the moment!

                    Do you think World Rugby will keep it to 12 teams if Scotland lose to Fiji.

                    Will be expanded to 16 teams imho.

                    It is ok while Japan, Fiji, Samoa etc finish 12th, but once one of the “big unions” doesn’t get to dine at the top table, the goalposts will be moved.

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                      Originally posted by dermotmccarthy View Post

                      As it stands at the moment!

                      Do you think World Rugby will keep it to 12 teams if Scotland lose to Fiji.

                      Will be expanded to 16 teams imho.

                      It is ok while Japan, Fiji, Samoa etc finish 12th, but once one of the “big unions” doesn’t get to dine at the top table, the goalposts will be moved.
                      Ireland were in Scotland's shoes last year and only stayed up as they beat Japan in the relegation game. I think there is a case to merge the RWC and the Trophy competition. Currently the RWC has 12 sides and the Trophy 8.

                      A new 16/20 side competition with 4/5 groups of 4 and knockout stages of QF, SF etc. Teams get minimum 3 games with a max of 6 games. You could do seeding positions based on points gained in group and progress to knockout rounds etc.

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                        Originally posted by neill_m View Post

                        Ireland were in Scotland's shoes last year and only stayed up as they beat Japan in the relegation game. I think there is a case to merge the RWC and the Trophy competition. Currently the RWC has 12 sides and the Trophy 8.

                        A new 16/20 side competition with 4/5 groups of 4 and knockout stages of QF, SF etc. Teams get minimum 3 games with a max of 6 games. You could do seeding positions based on points gained in group and progress to knockout rounds etc.
                        I think a four group with top team qualifying, or first and second qualifying would be better than the three group top three and best runner up arrangement- best runner up is a bit of a lottery, and tough when the fifth team has same points, but hard a marginally more difficult group. That said, great competition this year- Ireland did very well in less than ideal circumstances- should really stand to some of these lads.

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                          Originally posted by kahalui View Post

                          Are we losing more players to injury than the other sides?... if so, why's that... Inferior conditioning/physicality??
                          Don’t know what other sides have suffered but it’s been an unusually bad year for us with injuries. We lost six lads beforehand due to injuries sustained playing both Ireland U20 and senior club rugby and crucially, some of those we lost (Hawkshaw, Byrne, Penny) were star players. Losing another six during the tournament was always going to make it tough.

                          I think it was likely just a bit of bad luck. The lads are very well conditioned and their playing load was reduced a bit this year to mind them.

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                            Originally posted by dermotmccarthy View Post

                            As it stands at the moment!

                            Do you think World Rugby will keep it to 12 teams if Scotland lose to Fiji.

                            Will be expanded to 16 teams imho.

                            It is ok while Japan, Fiji, Samoa etc finish 12th, but once one of the “big unions” doesn’t get to dine at the top table, the goalposts will be moved.
                            The rankings, and form is very irrelevant at this age, the commentators kept talking about the french being the defending champions but the french team that won lasr was very different. With so many players on all teams not available the following time rankings are not very accurate.

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                              Originally posted by ScrummieMan View Post
                              Possible XV for Ireland under-20 next season:

                              1. Harry Noonan(Greystones RFC/Old Wesley)
                              2. John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere)
                              3. Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC)
                              4. Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf)
                              5. Tom Ahern(Waterpark RFC/Shannon)
                              6. Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/DUFC)
                              7. Mark Hernan(St. Michaels)
                              8. David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge)
                              9. Ben Murphy(Pres Bray)
                              10. Jack Crowley(Bandon Grammar)
                              11. Aaron Sexton(Bangor GS)
                              12. Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray/Lansdowne)
                              13. Hayden Hyde(Exile)
                              14. Andrew Smith(St. Michaels)
                              15. Ethan McIlroy(Methody)
                              Good team and there will be some serious athletes in next year's squad:
                              -- Aaron Sexton(Ireland's fastest every school boy),
                              -- Cormac "Izzy" Izuchukwu(6 foot 7 - 111kg, has already played for the senior Ireland 7's team and can play centre/second row),.
                              -- Hayden Hyde(A former back-rower who was the stand-out centre in the under 18 premiership according to Alex Shaw)
                              -- Thomas Ahern(just over 6 foot 8) & O'Connor(very similar in height) could be the tallest second row Ireland have had at this level.
                              -- George Saunderson(not sure if he is still in school next year), Liam Winnett and Daniel Okeke are big, powerful ball-carrying forwards and the type of athletes that Ireland don't produce very often.

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                                some serious athletes, but Izuchukwu is a 7's player and has a lot of work to do to be near the irish u20 15's side.
                                Winnett is an athlete but behind several TH's in this age group due to his scrummaging.
                                Okeke is an athlete also, but pretty one dimensional.. needs coaching to broaden his skillset, as its easy to run over player at SCT level when he is such superior athlete. Didn't make ireland u18 schools team.
                                Last edited by ScrummieMan; 18th-June-2019, 20:10.

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