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    I’m depressed. Doom and gloom.

    What a crap weekend.

    Where are we going to find a solution to the scrum problems in time for the 6 Nations??. I think its fair to say that any international coach will really focus on tearing us apart like Leicester did yesterday. France and England are well capable, perhaps even Wales to a lesser extrent. Our front 8 were absolutely demolished and Leinsters backs were reduced to onlookers by an ok Gloucester team. Have we been found out?

    Horgan is apparently out until the England game so that could mean an outing for Bowe or else Trimble/Hickie. Losing Horgan is a huge blow.

    Its not looking good. I have postponed buying my Ireland fleece from Lidl until I feel a bit more optimistic about whats going to happen. I think I will put a few bob on England to win the GS. I reckon they could be serious dark horses. Biarritz looked good today too.

    Yours in absolute depression
    SR



    #2
    Ps - Why dont we have a scrum coach? I believe one is too expensive to hire. What a shambles. Didnt a specialist scrum coach transform the All-Black scrum from a complete mess to best in the world prior to the Lions tour?

    Shambles. Rolly Meates my arse.

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      #3


      Similarly depressed - there was far too much complacency and guffawing on this forum re the state of the english team (also home QF chat!)- when will we learn!? After great performances by gloucester, wasps and leicester and two relatively straight forward games to get them settled, they will be an extremely tough proposition at croke park. On a positive/ constructive note, other teams have always known that our scrum was a weak point, and we've managed some decent performances/ results in the past year or so with this liability (first game v all blacks this summer is prob best example). Also, yesterday was wet and windy and there was an endless amount of scrums due to tough handling conditions, this will not necessarily be the case as we move into the spring. Another thing is control at the base - leinster have played some great rugby this season with a scrum that is continually on the back foot. Now I know that many here do not rate the guy, but Heaslip is infinitely better at controlling the ball at the base of the scrum and I honestly think Leamy is a better off at 6 - unlikely situation but worth some thought.I still think we'll beat Wales next month for the simple reason that we're better than them in most positions - we won't be outmuscled like yesterday and the backline will be helped by the indoor conditions of the millenium stadium.


      Anyways -back to the depressed theme - from years of supporting Liverpool I've learnt never to expect anything in sport - always be pessimistic and you'll never bedisappointed!!

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        #4
        Originally posted by Sin a bhfuil


        Anyways -back to the depressed theme - from years of supporting Liverpool I've learnt never to expect anything in sport - always be pessimistic and you'll never bedisappointed!!


        i too am a liverpool fan, 27 seasons and counting. it was by wholelifeup until that terrible day. i still support them with passion andhave no problems fecking them out of it when the play badly but at the end of the day,it is a game. no matter what team you follow,everyone has their off days.put this weekend behind us and look forward to some great rugby matchesahead in the 6nations. think of it, finally, live rugby on rte. tyrant v hooky, bring it on.

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          #5
          What are you worried about dont knock on and you wont have scrums if you dont like them. For God's sake dont opt for a scrum when awarded a penalty. Simple really[img]smileys/wink.gif[/img]
          Munster to Win the HCUP in 2012!

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            #6


            Originally posted by SkibRed
            Ps - Why dont we have a scrum coach? I believe one is too expensive to hire. What a shambles. Didnt a specialist scrum coach transform the All-Black scrum from a complete mess to best in the world prior to the Lions tour?

            Shambles. Rolly Meates my arse.
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            We do have a forwards coach who you would expect to know a little about the scrum...

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              #7
              It would help if scrums were taking more seriously at school level. We do have Darragh Hurley coming through who looks a class above anything in Ireland given his age. I wouldn't panic yet though because scrums are technical and can be improved with practice.

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                #8
                I think you are right about Heaslip, he's a fantastic player and makes some serious yards in most games. Taht would be way too dramatic a change for EOS though.







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                  #9

                  Originally posted by CardiffMatt

                  Originally posted by SkibRed
                  Ps - Why dont we have a scrum coach? I believe one is too expensive to hire. What a shambles. Didnt a specialist scrum coach transform the All-Black scrum from a complete mess to best in the world prior to the Lions tour?

                  Shambles. Rolly Meates my arse.
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                  We do have a forwards coach who you would expect to know a little about the scrum...
                  Apparently he knows little about the scrum.

                  On a related note if what I was told at Christmas is true then Munster have a special advisor that they bring in for particular issues re the scrum. He's the scrum coach with Nenagh. He's in his 50's/60's and swims in the Shannon everyday.
                  The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

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                    #10
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                      #11


                      I must say some people seem to have just noticed that our scrum is crap. It has been for many seasons now. In fact our scrum has probably improved in the last couple of years (Corrigan retiring). I just wish we'd just develop a technique for getting the ball in and out as quickly as possible.


                      Reasons to be positive though. Mafi at 12 for Munter, D'Arcy at 12 for Ireland. BIG BIG diff. I dont wish to be hard on Mafi as he's a good player but he's not even close to being as good as D'Arcy who can turn to most pitifully bad ball into go forward for his team (ditto Halstead) . O'Gara is going to relish playing inside a player like him who takes a huge pressure off his shoulders. He knows if he's under pressure he can ship the ball to D'Arcy who seems to step &amp; turn out of trouble and make yards even with a backrow &amp; centre hanging off him giving our backrow time to realign. Not to mention the pressure himself &amp; bod put on at the breakdown. I think we have what it takes to destroy Wales &amp; France in this area which will more than compensate for our weakness in the scrum.


                      My concern is Leamy, Wallace &amp; Best more than anything. Individually &amp; collectively they were on fire in june &amp; Nov, have they gone off the boil?. Our lineout needs to improve (from Munster LO) although R Best did nothing wrong in the AI's while Flannery should get gametime too.
                      Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again (like picking Gordon D'Arcy) and expecting different results.
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                        #12


                        so if EOS is picking on form at the moment which areas do we see changes?


                        For me Murphy played better than girve over the weekend although the swerve is just back from injury. On form I would pick murphy


                        Horgan is gone so what i thought was a straight Hickie v Trimble is now probably hickie and Trimble in for horgan as he's a similar strong runner (tommy bowe has an outside chance.


                        The centres don't change.


                        Stringer and O'gara to probably still start as O'gara while playing badly is still undroppable and is likely to do a lot better with Darcy and BOD outside him.


                        Leamy - not at his best but has 2 weeks to get healthy and get the aggression levels back up (Heaslip would be my backup as he played excellently on friday night so leamy would want to be doing very well in training)


                        Wallace is still my choice for no 7 as I think he's only looked less good because he was doing the work of other men as well as his own.


                        Easterby has the 6 jersey I think on form but Best has a chance if he impresses in training.


                        4 and 5 should be DOC and POC with DOC the better player at the moment. Hopefully POC gets back to his best in next few weeks.


                        hooker, Rory Best on current form and fitness but with flannery to get a good 20 minutes to see if he makes a difference and if so should start against france.


                        Marcus Horan looked in a LOT of trouble in the scrum but as mentioned above if we keep the knock-ons down and avoid any silly kicking we should'nt need to worry about that many scrums in the game, although it is one less area to attack from which is a concern.


                        John Hayes has been consistently good so no changes there.


                        Bench could be interesting as well


                        Fla, Wallace, Boss, young?, N.Best/Easterby?, Possibly Kearney but more than likely Dempsey.


                        So since Autumn I reckon G.Murphy and Dempsey and probably easterby and N.Best have swapped places. We have lost shaggy but have capable wingers in HIckie and Trimble. Up front our scrum looks a worry but it took S.Africa and Australia quite handily in the AI's and stood up pretty well to NZ on the summer tour so maybe not as bad as we all seem to think.


                        The wales game will make or break our season I think. A good result and performance and we go into the french game full of confidence. Win that and we should have enoughmomentum to take england, scotland, and Italy.
                        The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad.
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                          #13


                          Nice synopsis upfront - agree on most points to be honest.Murphy played really well no doubt, extra kicking responsibility made him one of the leaders on the night and he was class considering the conditions. But EOS is a fan of dempsey's - that one is fifty/ fifty, i'd opt for Murphy purely because we've lost a bit of magic with Horgan's injury and murphy is next on the list to deliver a little bit of the unexpected. I know you're trying to be positive about Horgan but he is a big loss - he's playing the best rugby of his life and offloads better than other player on the team. Replacing him with Trimble should still give us a lot of the ability to get over the gain line that Horgan would have given us though. Hickie will be 11 and deservedly so. In the forwards the scrum worries me but this as much due to the fact that the ball can come flying out any directionwith Leamy at 8 (I've harped on about this probably too much already so i'll leave it at that for now). Horan will be ithcing for the harder ground so he can leave opposing props for dead in the loose (hope to see the grin wiped off Julian White's ugly mug when he's puffing and panting around crokerby the sixtieth minute!) Good point re wallace - he hasn't been as prominent as late but as you said it's probably due to a lock playing alongside him at 6 and an ill number 8 as well. I think Easterby will get the nod - would be harsh on N Best, but he'd be an unreal impact replacement. R Best will play hooker - Fla had to start on Saturday to be in with a shout realistically - another good impact sub though. Can't see any other big selection issues, though a strong performance by reddan at the weekend will have put Boss under a bit of pressure perhapsfor a spot on thebench.


                          If we keep our heads, and the back-row plays to their collective potential, we should be too good for the Welsh...

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                            #14
                            I'd pick Dempsey over G Murphy simply because Murphy has always played well for Leicester but never found his form playing for Ireland.

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