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  • 3Crowns3Stars
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    As a matter of interest, is there a set definition of Tier1/Tier2 in rugby? Is it simply 6N + RC = Tier 1 ? Or is there some ranking connotation?

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  • Piquet
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    By my calcs,

    Australia overtake Wales to go second after last night with Wales going third.

    South Africa overtake Ireland into 4th with Ireland going to 5th.

    England drop to 7th with France going to 6th.

    If Argentina beat Tonga today, they will go seventh with England going to 8th.

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  • Mike Gibson
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    The double points at the World Cup seems to screw things up a little. Seem to recall we finished ahead of Wales in the rankings after the last World Cup because they lost points for losing the semi-final and third-place playoff.

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  • masterchief
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    Originally posted by Eire12gael View Post
    Great info here. Just hope Ireland win the trophy. Computation will be easier.
    Sure we could go ahead and win it and the IRB would come up with a way to have NZ still ranked first.

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  • Eire12gael
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    Originally posted by Piquet View Post
    Ireland are more than ten points above Italy, so beating them would gain Ireland nothing.

    France play Canada and are more than ten points above them so the same applies.

    The gap between the two will therefore remain at its current value of 3.28.




    As the higher ranked team, Ireland would gain 1.344 ( [ 1 minus {the gap divided by 10}] times 2 ) if they won and would lose 2.656 ( [1 Plus {the gap divided by 10}] times 2) if they lost. A draw would lose Ireland 0.656 ( [the gap divided by 10] times 2)

    Whether this would affect Ireland's Ranking, would depend on how the other teams got on. If Australia were to lose to Wales or England ( or both) they would lose points and we might pass them out. .


    Great info here. Just hope Ireland win the trophy. Computation will be easier.

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  • Sulla
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    Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post
    So if Ireland beat France and beat Argentina and then beat Scotland (all ranked behind them) and the NZ in the final could they conceivably be 2nd in the rankings despite being world champs.

    Point is that the only thing that really matters is who wins the World Cup.
    Think there's some formula whereby the winner automatically gets No. 1 spot

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  • mr chips
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    Brilliant answer Piquet, thanks! I wasn't aware (or else had forgotten about) the impact of a 15 point winning margin.

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  • The Last Stand
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    So if Ireland beat France and beat Argentina and then beat Scotland (all ranked behind them) and the NZ in the final could they conceivably be 2nd in the rankings despite being world champs.

    Point is that the only thing that really matters is who wins the World Cup.

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  • Piquet
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    When the World Cup started, Scotland were on 75.88 and Japan on 72.06. Japan gained four points by beating SA to go to 76.06. The gap was therefore 0.18. Scotland won by more than 15 points in a World Cup so the points gain (1.018) was multiplied by 1.5 and again by 2. to give 3.054.

    Scotland, therefore went to 78.93 and Japan to 73.01. They have since beaten the USA (69.32) by more than 15 gaining 0.117 to go to 79.05

    If Scotland had met Japan first, they would have gained 1.854 to go to 77.63 points and Japan would have lost 1.854 to go to 70.21. If Japan, then beat SA, they would have gained 4 points to go to 74.21 compared to 73.01 now.

    Is Scotland had then beaten the USA, they would have gained 0.507 to go to 78.14.

    Scotland have gained more points because, as suggested, they beat a team ahead of them. Similarly Japan lost more because they lost to a team behind them.

    So Chippy, in a word, no.

    The gap would have been tighter, but Scotland would still have been ahead

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  • RichardP
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    Originally posted by mr chips View Post
    Wow, there's some yoyo-ing going on alright, although it does seem like it will even itself out overall. Case in point - Japan were in 13th before they beat SA, while Scotland were 10th at the time. Japan moved up to 11th as a result of their big win, which meant they passed out Scotland who went to 12th. But Japan have gone to 13th again after losing to Scotland, while Scotland have leapt from 12th to 9th, partly as a result of beating a team ahead of them (Japan!).

    Question for you Piquet - if the timing of the fixtures had been slightly different but with the same results (i.e. Japan lose to Scotland but beat SA, same scorelines all round), would Japan now be ahead of Scotland in the rankings at this point? The key difference being that Japan would have been ranked behind rather than ahead of Scotland prior to their game.
    I think the ratings will be very skewed until all the minnows have been eliminated (or the occasional shock result passes)

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