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  • Daithi
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    Of course you should, I mean that's just basic common sense. The coaches were ringing each other beforehand to decide what type of sides and run outs they wanted sure!?

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Daithi View Post

    I dunno, but the current ranking system has thrown up some mighty peculiar rankings in the lead up to this RWC in particular....
    Wales number 1, then Ireland came in to RWC 19 ranked 1, just a few weeks after being absolutely hammered by England, and after losing to both England & Wales in the spring. I mean come on!
    'It sure don't take a mechanic to know a car is broke. ..'
    rankingswere close from previous seasons results so of course warm up games will change things considerably when countries will have very different teams out as intentions are so different based on what they're aiming for in world cup. If so easy to change then propose something. Unless you reduce warm up games ranking points compared to 6 nations and normal summer tour and November games.

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  • Daithi
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    what did you change to rankings then? World cup games get higher ranking then November tests and 6 nations. All varies on who you play and where they're rated as well.
    I dunno, but the current ranking system has thrown up some mighty peculiar rankings in the lead up to this RWC in particular....
    Wales number 1, then Ireland came in to RWC 19 ranked 1, just a few weeks after being absolutely hammered by England, and after losing to both England & Wales in the spring. I mean come on!
    'It sure don't take a mechanic to know when a car is broke. ..'
    Last edited by Daithi; 21-October-2019, 14:00.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Daithi View Post

    They're gas those rankings, Ireland were quite clearly the 8th best side at this RWC. They so badly need to recalibrate how they work these out imho.
    what did you change to rankings then? World cup games get higher ranking then November tests and 6 nations. All varies on who you play and where they're rated as well.

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  • AwayFromHome
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    Originally posted by Daithi View Post

    They're gas those rankings, Ireland were quite clearly the 8th best side at this RWC. They so badly need to recalibrate how they work these out imho.
    We are not definitively worse than France, Japan and Australia. As cr@p as we were on Saturday Australia were worse.

    Its a fair argument if you personally think that we are 8th but it is not outrageous either for the ranking system to end up saying we are better than the 3 above over the medium term. No ranking system will be perfect I think the current one does a decent job. It's biggest constraint is that Japan and Fiji don't get enough meaningful tests to pick up points and Argentina and Italy don't play enough games against non-top 10 sides to test where they really stand. That problem is really a fixture scheduling one and not a ranking system one.

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  • Daithi
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    Originally posted by Sulla View Post
    Dust settles..

    Ireland down to 5th, France up to 7th, Japan down to 8th, Wales down to 3rd. England up to 2nd, SA to 4th.
    They're gas those rankings, Ireland were quite clearly the 8th best side at this RWC. They so badly need to recalibrate how they work these out imho.

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  • Sulla
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    Dust settles..

    Ireland down to 5th, France up to 7th, Japan down to 8th, Wales down to 3rd. England up to 2nd, SA to 4th.

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  • Piquet
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    You assume correctly.

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  • AwayFromHome
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    Italy were 72.04 ranking points on 7th October and were also 72.04 ranking points on 14th October. England, France and New Zealand also all unchanged. I would assume that this means that these scoreless draws were not used in the calculation of the 14th October rankings.

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  • ustix
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    This thread is gone fierce quiet since the scoreless draws of last week

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  • Piquet
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    I'm inclined to agree with AFH. It's bad enough turfing Italy and possibly Scotland out but for NZ to lose two points where the game wasn't played,would be beyond ridiculous.

    The official rankings will be published, as usual on Monday, 'till then, all "rankings" are unofficial.

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  • Dowlinz
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    Originally posted by AwayFromHome View Post

    No, its not a game. The 0-0 is a "result" for the purposes of the tournament rules. It is not a recorded result of a match. If Italy were winning 3-0 at half time in terrible conditions and the game was abandoned then it would count towards ranking points.
    Is that official? Whoever runs the calculator considered them as draws for rankings.
    https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/

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  • jagawayagain
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    I don’t know if there are any suspensions still in force, but presumably a red (and three match ban), picked up in game 1 would now exclude the miscreant from the QF?

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  • AwayFromHome
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    Originally posted by Sulla View Post
    Will Italy get a boost from their 0-0 draw with NZ?
    No, its not a game. The 0-0 is a "result" for the purposes of the tournament rules. It is not a recorded result of a match. If Italy were winning 3-0 at half time in terrible conditions and the game was abandoned then it would count towards ranking points.

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  • Sulla
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    Will Italy get a boost from their 0-0 draw with NZ?

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