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  • Cowboy
    started a topic Ireland at the RWC 2015 Thread.

    Ireland at the RWC 2015 Thread.

    We dont have a specific thread for the team and the competition. I read this article on the times page a moment ago, is it me or is the language in it difficult to read?:



    A legal practice and the Irish rugby team may have a lot in common but they probably don’t call him Shaggy in the London offices of Lee and Thompson LLP. These days Shane Horgan’s career sound track plays out where the law meets the entertainment/sport industry and along the corridors of Sky and RTÉ.
    Who knows where it will all lead but from his early foray into television analysis, life on the bench in front of camera seems to be working out just fine. Naturally articulate, Horgan’s fresh perceptions and willingness to participate cuts deeply into explaining what rugby teams are trying to do.
    The authenticity and projection to viewers that he has read Joe Schmidt’s playbook and also run the lines has been convincingly peddled and the former winger is comfortable doing it. He’s jumped the fence from player to pundit and the authority holds. That’s harder than it seems.
    Horgan remains part of rugby but not in rugby like today where he is part of a World Cup Trophy tour hosted by DHL.
    What used to be his life is now a companion to something bigger. Suit, tie and sharp shoes, he’s a London city boy. And one who is not forlornly peering over his shoulder for a glorious lost past.
    “No, my whole career I was aware rugby was finite,” he says. “I was aware it was for a limited amount of time and not for your entire life. I was prepared for that and didn’t have an issue doing something else.
    “The fact I still have my toe in the water and I’m still exposed to rugby and derive enjoyment from the game...it’s not my primary job anymore so playing rugby isn’t an issue at all to be honest with you. I don’t miss getting beaten up!”
    These days people want him to crystal ball gaze, tell them how Ireland will do in the World Cup, whether they will blow up as they did in 2007 after an encouraging Six Nations. Horgan was at the epicentre of the Bordeaux experience.
    But simple comparisons, he believes are invalid. Joe Schmidt, the players and the Scotland match on that last epic day of this year’s championship successfully join the dots to make a bigger whole than the team of Eddie O’Sullivan could. He has reason to be hopeful.
    Turning point
    “It’s hard to look at it any other way,” he says. “I think the game against Scotland was a huge turning point for Ireland. They could have won that Six Nations without having to play the way they played against Scotland. Maybe they would have even won a Grand Slam but I don’t think they would be in as good a position as they are now.
    “They learned some fundamental truths about themselves in the game; the capacity to play at a high level and the reward for playing that way. They will recognise that. It’s with that sort of bravery and level of testing themselves at the margin of things not going well... that’s now an option.
    “They could have gone through the Six Nations and won a Grand Slam and never really found out how good they can be. After Scotland it’s clearer. Ireland are a successful group of rugby players that can play to a really high level.”
    Schmidt’s strength, Horgan believes is that he has grabbed player’s attention and hasn’t let go. His intensity is to be followed or lost. He did it with Leinster and it has seamlessly transferred it to Ireland. He inculcates the team collectively and the players individually that if they do what he tells them they will win.
    But like all apparently simple equations, when they are broken down there a massive construct in the foundation.
    “What Joe has and all the best coaches have this is the trust of their players,” says Horgan. “If the coach says before a game if you do x, y, and z and do it correctly then a, b and c will happen and it actually happens, it builds trust very quickly.
    “That’s what the players have recognised. In Leinster we used to see it. That happens over and over and over with Joe. Once it has happened a couple of times it becomes symbiotic. Coaches and players start thinking together.
    “That manifests itself in the Joe and Johnny Sexton relationship. I think you can see Johnny directing a game, managing a game, playing a game...it is the same way that Joe would play it if he was in that position.”
    If Ireland don’t beat themselves, it begs the question of who in their World Cup pool will. Canada? Romania? On strike Italy? A French team flapping in the wind as only the French can?
    It’s difficult not to bask in the light of Ireland’s good fortune there. With that rubbing of the hands and smug satisfaction comes heightened expectation and if 2007 can be remembered people were high-fiving in Bordeaux and diving onto the Irish glory bandwagon and Medoc in equal measure.
    Overcooked? Undercooked? Mad expectations that laid low an Irish team unused to such burden and now Schmidt maybe lining up for a similar fall. Yes? Well, actually no.
    “There is a clear path to the semi-final where you are going to have one huge group game,” says Horgan. “Italy realistically are not going to beat Ireland.
    “You’ve a game there against France. France have consistently beaten Ireland over the years. But there’s less fear now than any other time in the history of Irish rugby. If they win that game you couldn’t bet against them getting to a World Cup semi-final. But you can’t reverse what has gone on in the last 10-15 years in Irish rugby and can’t reverse what’s gone on in the last two years. And we shouldn’t try to. And we shouldn’t worry about it.
    Having expectations
    “That idea of not having expectations or pressure is just not going to happen. In 2007 in France there was huge expectation and huge disappointment. As a result it was kind of kid gloves, everyone saying that team was doing well, they came in and it all blew up and it could happen again so we can’t have expectation.
    “But we can’t not have expectation. This team is different. It has won stuff. It’s won back-to-back Six Nations. A lot of players have won in Europe, won PRO12. That team I played in hadn’t won as much.”
    There are fine players who will be left behind, he says. He points to the quality in the back three. He rips out names Bowe, McFadden, Kearney, Kearney, Zebo, Trimble. And there are others. Gilroy, Earls, Fitzgerald. There will be two or three injured players before the flight to London, he says. Factor it in.
    The probability of Paul O’Connell playing against France, where he will take up employment after the tournament, will be spun to death . But that, says Horgan, is meaningless for the player.
    “Look at the motivations for Paul O’Connell and his team -mates at a World Cup. Look at what’s going on. There is so much. But is it a motivating factor for him? I don’t think it will cross his mind.”
    “Once you take your eye off the ball and start thinking about giving someone a big performance because of who they are or what they’ve done, I think it’s a risky business.”
    A straight-talking lawyer then. The thing is that the jury are usually listening.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugb...land-1.2257704

  • limerickstag
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    Feel like I need to see some gratuitous head rolling in or around Team Ireland before I can fully get over this latest RWC debacle. Anyone else? The typically mute journos aren't helping matters

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  • Waterfordlad
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    Spot on Sulla, turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind

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  • Sulla
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugb...uths-1.2447900

    ..
    It is a case of the IRFU reviewing its own employees, then asking another employee to report to them, the employer, about his findings. In this world of Russian athletics, world football and cycling, the very thing that is missing is an external, independent eye.
    Could the IRFU not have asked a small group of independent people, ex-players, business men, psychologists, international coaches of some experience, none on IRFU payroll, who might come back and say something radical, fundamental, frightening?...

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  • Cowboy
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    Earlsy fractured his jaw in the RWC warmups tackling North.

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  • Eire12gael
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    Originally posted by Corcíoch View Post
    Shane Horgan picked Rob at full back I see . .


    Ha ha ha ha ha . .he really makes no effort to hide his absolute bias does he.

    You'd nearly admire him for the neck he has.

    HAHA, probably the only way he can make their players relevant.

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  • Eire12gael
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    Anyone here following the Women's team in Rugby World Cup? Heartbreaking loss yesterday to England but saw some upside.

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  • Thomond78
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    Originally posted by osullik79 View Post
    Not one munster player on old shane Lego hair Horgans list
    Originally posted by Lego Hair
    Every blue is awesooooommmmee/Every blue is great, 'cos they're part of my team/Every blue is awesooooooooooooommmmmeee...
    .

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  • Waterfordlad
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    Pity he hides that lovely neck under the lego hair

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    Originally posted by Eire12gael View Post
    Sky Sports has picked players they want for New Zealand Tour by British and Irish Lions. Johnny Sextons and Paul O'Connel made severa lists.

    http://www.skysports.com/rugby-union...ns-starting-xv
    Shane Horgan picked Rob at full back I see . .


    Ha ha ha ha ha . .he really makes no effort to hide his absolute bias does he.

    You'd nearly admire him for the neck he has.
    Last edited by Corcíoch; 7th-November-2015, 11:55.

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  • osullik79
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    He isn't the only one to not pick a Munster player.... Barnes, Evans, Lawson don't have one either.....
    True but they all go for the best players from their own countries in any 50/50 calls but Horgan doesn't

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by osullik79 View Post
    Not one munster player on old shane Lego hair Horgans list
    He isn't the only one to not pick a Munster player.... Barnes, Evans, Lawson don't have one either.....

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  • osullik79
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    Originally posted by Eire12gael View Post
    Sky Sports has picked players they want for New Zealand Tour by British and Irish Lions. Johnny Sextons and Paul O'Connel made severa lists.

    http://www.skysports.com/rugby-union...ns-starting-xv
    Not one munster player on old shane Lego hair Horgans list

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  • Cowboy
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    Originally posted by Eire12gael View Post
    Sky Sports has picked players they want for New Zealand Tour by British and Irish Lions. Johnny Sextons and Paul O'Connel made severa lists.

    http://www.skysports.com/rugby-union...ns-starting-xv
    Barnes picked Luke on the wing ahead of North

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  • Eire12gael
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    Sky Sports has picked players they want for New Zealand Tour by British and Irish Lions. Johnny Sextons and Paul O'Connel made severa lists.

    http://www.skysports.com/rugby-union...ns-starting-xv

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