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    #16
    Originally posted by sparks View Post
    Definitely agree with this statement although Healy did very well for Ireland apart from today. Heaslip has been poor all tournament, even having played every minute!
    You have to wonder what DK would've done had Wally been around.

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      #17
      Ireland would have had a totally different look in my opinion
      Stand up and fight

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        #18
        This could be a long thread.

        I'm going to throw the young fella in the buggy and go walk until my head clears. Can't be objective at the moment.
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          #19
          We wont really know how good Wales/bad Ireland were today until after their game next week against france. Did ireland get a bit over confident about todays game? Where was the intensity of the Oz and Italy games? why was there no attempt at getting our ball carriers to carry crash ball/run at speed to the tackle. We never changed the plan, when plan A didn't work try harder seemed the motto.
          The way we played between their second and third tries was unbelievably bad if wales had another ten points on the board it wont not have flattered them. No player stood out as better than his Welsh opposite. Maybe we just had one of those days, however i wasn't expecting it today under Kidney.
          Definition of Insanity. Playing the same game plan over and over again expecting a different result.

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            #20
            I think we look ok for the really important thing - next year's 6 nations. Crying over exit from a tournament that we never aspired to win is a mug's game.

            We're still too thin in the front row, and need options there. The IRFU should be leaning on all the provinces to only play Irish props this year and next.

            We've bags of young locks coming through, and they need room to grow. That, for my money, means that Leo Cullen should never see another Ireland squad and anyone who pushes DOC should get the nod.

            We need options at seven. Ronan is a failed experiment there at the top level, and youngsters should be fast tracked.

            Murray is the future at 9.

            Keatley needs to be in and around the Irish set up ASAP, with formal handover from ROG to Sexton and whoever else emerges. This should definitely be ROG's last year in an Ireland shirt.

            We're bereft of options at 12 behind Darce, and it needs urgent attention - including moving players from other positions.

            BOD is fading, but I'd be looking hard at Trimble for that shirt.

            We also need someone to put pressure on Kearney. Fingers crossed for Felix Jones.

            We're not in bad shape though - the performances against Oz and Italy reproduced would win us a 6 nations - though France an Wales would have something to say about that after today
            "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

            "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


            "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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              #21
              Oh, and Gaffney's off so hopefully we'll see something in the way of back play under a new backs coach.
              "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

              "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


              "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                #22
                Some of the key points looking forward:

                -> One thing we need to keep in mind was throughout our RWC we were relatively fortunate with the injury situation. Due to the form of Best the Flannery injury was never felt leaving David Wallace as the only player who could have really improved our RWC. The quality of our backup in some areas is desperately poor and no more so than Buckley and Cullen. Injuries to POC and Ross and we'd have been in massive trouble.

                -> Of further concern is the injury state of some players. Ferris, TOL and Flannery could all legitimately consider early retirement with their persistent problems.

                -> Our centre troubles are well known, now will be the time to experiment with new options.

                -> We need a successor for ROG and I wouldn't necessarily assume that Sexton is that man. On balance hes been very poor in the green for the past year.

                -> Its the end of the road for Bull, strings, Murphy, Marcus, Cullen and Shaggy. We seem to have successfully transitioned all of them out of the mix already.

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                  #23
                  Has Kearney lost what little pace he had? There was a few times today where it seemed all set up for him to turn on the gas only to see him struggle to get going?
                  It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by JoeyFantastic View Post
                    Has Kearney lost what little pace he had? There was a few times today where it seemed all set up for him to turn on the gas only to see him struggle to get going?
                    Cant lose what you never had. As a goalkeeper full back he's peerless. As a counter attacker he's limited.
                    I always knew Madigan was a closet Scrum Half. Ignore All things that suggest Continuity.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post

                      We're not in bad shape though - the performances against Oz and Italy reproduced would win us a 6 nations - though France an Wales would have something to say about that after today
                      You're right there BB. Best RWC Ireland have had in what? 20 years?

                      If we'd being doing that every four years I'd be frustrated now. Instead I'm just sad for that group of players, but Kidney will have learned a lot about the limitations of his team and his coaching staff.

                      You have to enjoy these things when they come around. The horror of 2007 still sends shivers down my spine, I actually enjoyed some of Ireland's games this time around.

                      Things may start to get really interesting now.
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
                        I think we look ok for the really important thing - next year's 6 nations. Crying over exit from a tournament that we never aspired to win is a mug's game.

                        We're still too thin in the front row, and need options there. The IRFU should be leaning on all the provinces to only play Irish props this year and next.

                        We've bags of young locks coming through, and they need room to grow. That, for my money, means that Leo Cullen should never see another Ireland squad and anyone who pushes DOC should get the nod.

                        We need options at seven. Ronan is a failed experiment there at the top level, and youngsters should be fast tracked.

                        Murray is the future at 9.

                        Keatley needs to be in and around the Irish set up ASAP, with formal handover from ROG to Sexton and whoever else emerges. This should definitely be ROG's last year in an Ireland shirt.

                        We're bereft of options at 12 behind Darce, and it needs urgent attention - including moving players from other positions.

                        BOD is fading, but I'd be looking hard at Trimble for that shirt.

                        We also need someone to put pressure on Kearney. Fingers crossed for Felix Jones.

                        We're not in bad shape though - the performances against Oz and Italy reproduced would win us a 6 nations - though France an Wales would have something to say about that after today
                        that's the point of this thread, it's not about Wales game hence didn't post this there. This is about the world cup and where it's left us. Right now there's some big positives but there's time now to bite the bullet on a few things. I honestly would say move BOD to IC and bring Trimble into OC. If BOD is staying his role needs to be to bring through the next midfield and he can't do that as well from OC as IC. I'd also agree, Cullen and DOC have had their day now. Some tough calls need to be made but some positives have been found. Healy and Best have stood out for me as having taken a massive step to the next level in the past few weeks. Ross is solid enough but Buckley needs to be dispensed with by Ireland and Court may need to go back to Ulster and sort himself out. It's gutting to think we had Darragh Hurley at Munster and Healy at Leinster coming through at the same time but only Healy made it. I'd agree, if the IRFU are going to control contracts then do it constructively, make provinces develop positions and support them doing it. I'd also agree about Ronan, he's simply not powerful enough for international level. We need Munster to be working hard on bring through POM, Butler, TOD etc, and Leinster to be working on Ruddock, Ryan etc. We need to be developing the next generation now because there's some very good things to build on. I'd also suggest if Don Ryan isn't going to get the games at Munster at lock he needs to move because that second lock slot is there to be taken.
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by JoeyFantastic View Post
                          Has Kearney lost what little pace he had? There was a few times today where it seemed all set up for him to turn on the gas only to see him struggle to get going?
                          I think he made the breaks he made because of the balance of pace and power he has - don't forget those breaks were against the Welsh back 3, i.e. guys with genuine pace themselves, so he was never going to burn any of them.
                          \"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"

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                            #28
                            Why "Post Mortem", Joey? After our dreams died? Or because you think that the irish rugby died today? I won't go on the same way as the one that is followed game specialists like The Outlaw or others. I really respect and appreciate their technical point of view about the game, but I decided a few years ago to let the technical aspects on the side, so I only look for feelings now. Feelings like friendship, shared pleasure, shared hope, dreams, thrill, but rage too, or deception, or shared frustration, because I do know that success does not long eternally, does not come on command and because I accept that I will be soon or late disappointed. But what would be hope if there would not be disappointment?
                            After the 6N and the preparation game, who should have said or written that we should share such feelings like we shared together and with the team since the beginning of the tournament? Do we have to forget the game against Oz, Do we have to forget how we beat Italy? This results, and the way we played let us hope, let us dream. Since when did we not hope like we did last week?
                            Today, Wales was simply faster, stronger, more agressive, had simply a huger will of victory, as their terrible and successful even if often desperate defense showed. As BOD decalred after the game, all was not perfect in our game; OK we lost balls, made bad choices, seemed to be mantaly out, and while I thought here that we would turn the history after Earlsy's try, Wales made a terrible second effort, and came stronger to achieve us. But never was the irish team as bad as some think, who, like we say here, seem to throw the baby out with the bath water. We are not dead, the irish rugby and the irish team are not dead. The welsh team was simply great, complete, young, physically sharp and ready.
                            So if I am disappointed indee, I am not sad and all but ashamed, because there is no reason to feel shame if we loose against stronger, as it was the case today. And I hope for today.
                            Gwan Ireland, thanks guys, and my thanks to the fans for what I can read and SHARE here. :o
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by The Outlaw View Post
                              Cant lose what you never had. As a goalkeeper full back he's peerless. As a counter attacker he's limited.
                              Most distance carried, beat more defenders than rest of team and more offloads than anyone else...

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Aussiedub View Post
                                Most distance carried, beat more defenders than rest of team and more offloads than anyone else...
                                aaagh I agree with you, noooo can't be happening. He showed the others the way to break that defence, running straight from deep at the points their defence is stretching across but unfortunately others couldn't follow example
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