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  • jagawayagain
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    Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post

    I felt exactly the same when I read it - twisting that knife into them
    Largely deserved though- and nothing there we haven’t said here. I’d almost read another article in that paper after that.

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  • Waterfordlad
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    Originally posted by mr chips View Post
    F*ck me, I've no great love for the England rugby team nor for Saracens in particular, but this reeks of someone relishing the chance to stick the knife in and give it a good oul' twist for good measure. You can be sure that if England had prevailed, the issue of the Saracens finances wouldn't have got a mention and the team would all have been once-in-a-generation heroes who are a shining example to today's youth.
    I felt exactly the same when I read it - twisting that knife into them

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  • mr chips
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    F*ck me, I've no great love for the England rugby team nor for Saracens in particular, but this reeks of someone relishing the chance to stick the knife in and give it a good oul' twist for good measure. You can be sure that if England had prevailed, the issue of the Saracens finances wouldn't have got a mention and the team would all have been once-in-a-generation heroes who are a shining example to today's youth.

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  • Waterfordlad
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    Originally posted by mr chips View Post
    Any chance of a brief précis for those of us unwilling to give the Daily Heil a click?
    Ripping off their medals. Standing arms crossed and scowling as the South Africans were presented with theirs.

    Failing to bow in unison by way of courteous farewell to the Japanese people who had bestowed upon them the privilege of playing on such a magnificent stage.
    Pointedly refusing to applaud the referee who they thereby had the brass neck to try to blame for a defeat which was nobody's fault but their own


    It is the last image which stays with us the longest and for millions of sports-lovers in this country the lingering memory of England at the Rugby World Cup is that of a sullen, sulking, spoiled bunch of over-grown children.
    Bad losers doesn't cover it. Petulance doesn't come close. Disappointment is nowhere near an excuse for letting themselves down, letting us down, worst of all letting our nation down.

    The rugby brotherhood, as is its wont, has spent the best part of a week trying to pass off this betrayal of grace with an airy wave of the hand and gushings of sympathy for their anguish at losing the biggest match of their lives.

    Pass the sick bag. If this is the worst that ever happens to them they should count themselves very fortunate indeed.
    Rugby used to be steeped in good sportsmanship, compassion in victory and, perhaps most importantly of all, generosity in defeat.
    First and foremost, it was about playing the game. Followed by flagons of companionship downed by winners and losers together.

    That respect has given way to self-serving ego and now, apparently, to the kind of money which is blamed for football's malaise.
    Four of England's so-called stars - captain Owen Farrell, Maro Itoje and the Vunipola brothers - are key beneficiaries of the salary-cap scandal which has brought rugby's super-club Saracens crashing down beneath huge points deductions and fines.
    The investigation into this case was led by Sportsmail and it is disturbing that the findings of the official inquiry were delayed to prevent unsettling England's World Cup campaign. How did that work out, gentlemen?

    In light of this disgrace it is difficult not to suspect that much of the team's brattishness was rooted in the loss of the £82,000 bonuses each stood to pocket had they become world champions.

    That is no justification, either, for their surly behaviour. Nor for the grudging, back-handed congratulations to the South Africans which had to be dragged out of them by the post-match interviewers. You know how it went: 'Well that's the way choose to play but ok they did it well.' New Zealand did not conduct themselves like that when England beat them in the semi-final.

    Even though Farrell had smirked his insult at their Haka, the All Blacks smiled, embraced the victors, wished them well for the final and signed off from Japan by lining up for that traditional bow to their charming hosts. As did pretty well all the other teams.

    Class.

    And remember, the Kiwis lost the World Cup. England merely failed to win it, yet were bitter to boot.

    That is the miserable impression they left behind in a country which not only put on a brilliant tournament but, to even greater surprise, offered more than England to the future of a game they have come late to love.

    The rugby Japan played, at such lightning speed of hand and foot that it looked like a man-size Nintendo game, brought a new dimension to this sport. One which the old power-houses of Europe and the rest of the Southern Hemisphere will have to add to their repertoire if they are to stay ahead of the game.
    England ended up an inferior version of South Africa's muscularity, energy, brute strength and physicality, which is the core of both their traditions. That, by the way, despite a starting pack heavier than the Springboks....

    The Springboks were a different style proposition to the All Blacks. They were empowered also by a far higher sense of purpose.

    Rallied by their first black captain, South Africa's most racially integrated team yet were playing not just for their third World Cup but for the unity of their divided, strife torn nation, striving to inspire a belief that anything is possible for all to achieve. Even those from the poorest townships.

    This was a lofty ambition which England failed utterly to comprehend in their hour of defeat. When Itoje called this the worst night of his life he had no understanding of Siya Kolisi saying that he grew up dreaming not of lifting the Webb Ellis Trophy but of where his next meal might come from.

    As for the head coach, Jones set the preening example. The sly digs at his old nemesis Warren Gatland, the smug grins after the semi-final, the false aura of invincibility, all ended in him being out-coached by South Africa coach Rassie Erasmus.

    And while we're at it, Mr Jones, where was Danny Cipriani when the critical moment came with England desperately needing to find a stroke of genius?

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  • mr chips
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    Any chance of a brief précis for those of us unwilling to give the Daily Heil a click?

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  • The Last Stand
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    Daily Mail not happy

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ru...-children.html

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  • RED 49
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    https://twitter.com/jacnienaber/stat...207707136?s=09

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  • i_like_cake
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    Thats absolutely class... I just heard it now online....
    fair play to them...

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  • blackwarrior
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    Jacques Nienaber has posted a Twitter video of the four ex-Munster lads singing SUAF with the trophy on a rooftop bus somewhere.

    @jacnienaber

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  • jagawayagain
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    Originally posted by Hugged Rugger View Post
    Yes I'm glad it worked out for him. Still think the whole departure of himself and flan was odd....
    It was, and some of the things that came out (eg Farrell’s comments), made it seem a very odd place to be. I think they were both good guys, hard working, but because if circumstances were pressed into roles they just didn’t have the experience to cope with when things got difficult. I hope they both go on to great things.

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  • Hugged Rugger
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    Yes I'm glad it worked out for him. Still think the whole departure of himself and flan was odd, but sometimes a player or a coach just doesn't fit with a particular squad or is right place wrong time. If he goes onto be a top head coach hopefully he comes back to Ireland again.

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  • jagawayagain
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    Originally posted by Hugged Rugger View Post
    'Awesome' Felix Jones gets high praise from Springbok stars after World Cup triumph

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/rug...-38657703.html
    Fair play to him- but I’m still very very glad we have the coaching ticket we have now.

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  • Hugged Rugger
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    'Awesome' Felix Jones gets high praise from Springbok stars after World Cup triumph

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/rug...-38657703.html

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  • Daithi
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    Yeah, I haven't seen a maul formation move like that for some time, and I suspect neither have the players. Cos England brought it to ground & coughed up a penalty at a vital stage in the match which is exactly what SA wanted.

    Regarding innovation in using your pack when smaller, absolutely agree, unfortunately Ireland just got more predictable when under pressure not less and this led to NZ double teaming the obvious once out carrier & turning over Healy, Henshaw, Henderson & others with consummate ease, which along with the deconstruction of Irelands set piece and the breakdown in handling spelt the end for Ireland really.

    Pity, but that's what you get when you pick over the hill players, ignore in form players, play an out moded & sussed gameplan and overplay your match 23 I.e. tired, outmoded, figured out, rubbish!!

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  • jagawayagain
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    I agree both about the similarities and our physical inadequacy to play the way Joe determined we would play. However SA demonstrated a tactical smartness within that general strategy. There are numerous examples, but one memorable one was half way through the second half outside the 22, they set up what was a largely unopposed maul, which was making great yards before it was pulled down illegally (Cole?)- very far from one out runners the puck attacked as a unit- and from open play rather than a set piece. That’s the sort of thing that, with a mobile and less physically dominant pack, we should have been preparing. When you can’t rely on bosh, you don’t just persist with it- you try to find alternatives.

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