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    Originally posted by BigLad View Post
    On reflection though this tournament suits the tri nations teams. And the climate. We peak dec to may.
    We can try to blame our conservative gameplan on the climate here but NZ has awful weather a lot of the time so that doesn’t wash.

    Ireland actually play hardly any rugby, once our attack slows down we look to kick in basically any unstructured ‘open’ situation. Otherwise we use the set piece to either set up a power play or get us into a few one out carries before kicking the ball away. From the same amount of possession as us, Nz scored 7 tries, had 18 clean breaks, 32 defenders beaten, 14 offloads, remember same amount of ball our stats were 1 try, 1 penalty try, 2 CBs, 13 DB, 3 offloads. We have no ambition, no skills, and wasted talent like Larmour, Earls, Ringrose, Stockdale - there’s tries galore there that’s the real shame. The coach must shoulder the blame and if we don’t adapt we ll never get past a quarter.
    \"Only Pienaar, Botha and Ferris would be in contention for a place on our first 15. That\'s a fact.\" - Tickettout\'s take on Ulster April 2011.

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      Originally posted by ustix View Post
      The wheels came off and plenty of ye knew it and called it well ahead of time. Tomorrow's another day. We're all Japanese now.
      The journey was good
      Exactly, Schmidt will be remembered though as a hugely positive influence on Irish rugby ,for leinster supporters he probably is even held in higher regard but from a Munster and Irish supporter like me I'm glad he raised the bar for Ireland and we competed against and beat some of the best teams around.
      that's why today was so disappointing as we didnt really fire a shot in anger or play like we have done at our best in the last few years .
      the grand slam and 3 championships are no mean feat but we dared to dream of a world cup run and today hurts.
      As you say tomorrow's another day and no doubt we will have our share of the good days too.

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        Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post
        Well that was pathetic. Far worse than could be imagined. ......
        Really, like really!?!

        I seem to remember writing (among with a select few others) in this very thread during the week, and after the Samoa selection in particular, that this Ireland selection would be beaten exactly like this....

        It was depressing, both in the extent of the capitulation of this Irish team, but also in how absolutely predictable it was!!!
        Last edited by Daithi; 19th-October-2019, 22:29.
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        Munster were great when they were Munster.

        alas they are just north munster now.......
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          Ireland were predictably awful, cos

          1. They had less recovery than NZ, principally cos JS wouldn't trust his squadies v Samoa ffs

          2 JS kept selecting aged, &/or obviously out of form players, this past year when far better, more in form players were available E.g. Larmour v Kearney (jeez wasn't he good today again!?), Conway v Stockdale, Farrell v Ringrose, Scannell v Best, etc,etc, etc

          3. Playing by numbers & Schmidtball was hammered by England firstly in the 6Ns, & since then by Wales, England again, Japan & NZ. The JS game was up in 2019.

          So, Ireland crumble at another RWC 1/4 final, depressing cos these Irish players & management have been really good in previous years & have given us supporters great memories in the past .....
          Last edited by Daithi; 19th-October-2019, 22:31.
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          Munster were great when they were Munster.

          alas they are just north munster now.......
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            Originally posted by lilleexile View Post

            Where's oldschooltwat's original post so I can report it?
            Feeling salty lilettesexile?

            Only fools and drunks argue over everything. If you don’t have a hangover the next day you’re not the drunk...

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              I've seen a fair few comments on twitter saying that this was "just a bad day at the office" and acting as if this display was just some sort of an anomaly. We really need to get away from this mentality. If New Zealand had put in 5 performances as poor as we had, within the space of 8 months, half of the team would have been dropped. In fact, shortly after the Ireland game last November, Karl Tu'inukuafe (despite being nominated for breakthrough player of the year) and Owen Franks were dropped from All Blacks squads. Rieko Ioane, Ben Smith and Ryan Crotty have all been replaced in the starting line-up since then, as well.

              I think Farrell's first squad is crucial. I would like to see him send out a message that the "mediocrity" of the last 8 months won't be accepted. If senior Irish internationals are performing at a lower level than their counterparts at other provinces cut them. After the last 8 months we have had, there should be absolutely no safety blanket for any Irish international. If Cooney continues to be the best scrum-half at club/provincial level, then pick him. We all know how much quality Murray has, but it's up to him to show that he can match Cooney's form at Ulster. If Stuart McCloskey continues to be the most in-form inside centre, then let Henshaw and Bundee Aki show that they can match him. Over the last 12 months, neither Henshaw or Aki have looked like international class centres for their provinces. The list goes on...
              Last edited by Mumhain; 19th-October-2019, 23:10.

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                Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post

                I wonder if Farrell will poach Lancaster from Leinster, though? Plus ca change if so
                I wonder if it’ll be more of the same under Andy Farrell. After all sometimes a new voice in the dressing room is needed, and Farrell can hardly be described as that


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                  Originally posted by Talking Sense View Post
                  Lol, POM is nailed on. Farrell should start as should Larmour. No good going 3, 6, 9 nil up after 15 mins then be 14-9 down after 25 mins. We ll need to score 3 tries. Watch Joe start Rob and it cost us.

                  Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post

                  What was the score the last time we played?
                  Lol, good point
                  \"Only Pienaar, Botha and Ferris would be in contention for a place on our first 15. That\'s a fact.\" - Tickettout\'s take on Ulster April 2011.

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                    Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

                    I think every one of the players in Japan need to go back to provinces, have the rest they need, and oust those currently in their position, based on fitness and form- not what they used to be like. Then let Farrell use the Christmas inter pros as the basis of his selection - bit like the old days is probables and possibles.
                    Why use the inter pros as the basis for selection? If Leinster win easily like they did in the Pro 14 semifinal then you agree that it should be mainly a Leinster team?

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                      Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                      How is he leaving Sexton out there.

                      I remember Rog being OBLITERATED after a Scotland game near his end

                      Sexton has been worse today
                      Sexton has been junk against good opposition since Wycherley dumped him on his ass at Thomond Park.

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                        Originally posted by Talking Sense View Post

                        We can try to blame our conservative gameplan on the climate here but NZ has awful weather a lot of the time so that doesn’t wash.

                        Ireland actually play hardly any rugby, once our attack slows down we look to kick in basically any unstructured ‘open’ situation. Otherwise we use the set piece to either set up a power play or get us into a few one out carries before kicking the ball away. From the same amount of possession as us, Nz scored 7 tries, had 18 clean breaks, 32 defenders beaten, 14 offloads, remember same amount of ball our stats were 1 try, 1 penalty try, 2 CBs, 13 DB, 3 offloads. We have no ambition, no skills, and wasted talent like Larmour, Earls, Ringrose, Stockdale - there’s tries galore there that’s the real shame. The coach must shoulder the blame and if we don’t adapt we ll never get past a quarter.
                        What irish provinces play good running unstructured rugby that utilises the offload etc to any degree of success? If the players cant do it at provincial level how do they do it at international level?

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                          Originally posted by TomsOnTheRoof View Post
                          Stockdale needs to be dropped. Didn't want to know anything about that tackle. Left it all to Larmour.
                          Conway must be wondering what he'd have ahd to do to get the nod over him. Mentally, Stockdale isn't there. Between the failed grounding in the HC and today's brain fart, it is unreal. Schmidt's main failing as a coach is the refusale to part with guys who have had big moments. Today, POM didn't let him down(that penalty was total bullhsit given what the AB's do at the ruck), had a lineout steal and turnover while it was still a game. But other guys were just plain poor.

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                            Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post

                            What irish provinces play good running unstructured rugby that utilises the offload etc to any degree of success? If the players cant do it at provincial level how do they do it at international level?
                            Leinster, you know the one joe used to coach and made famous for their passing!! You’re just walking into stuff now!
                            \"Only Pienaar, Botha and Ferris would be in contention for a place on our first 15. That\'s a fact.\" - Tickettout\'s take on Ulster April 2011.

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                              Originally posted by LongtimeLurker View Post

                              Agree, may be clumsy wording but that was what I was driving at. His increasing rigidity was his undoing, if you compare the teams he coached at Clermont or Leinster they played heads up rugby and he trusted players to make decisions on the pitch. Not really seen that from Schmidts Ireland. Certainly not of late.
                              When he was at Leinster he basically told the players they weren't skillful enough or talented enough to play free flowing rugby but if they could prove to him that they were able to he would agree to it. As BOD says he was regularly slated for his passing being poor, players were slated for running the wrong lines etc and everything was about the basics being perfect, once they got the basics mastered it worked and they could play what was in front of them.

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                                Originally posted by Reggie P View Post
                                Hammered and that`s with the best coach in the world !!!
                                HAHAHAHA, it always made me laugh when Schmidt was getting all the accolades. people forget that the 2016 and 2017 6N's were nothing to write home about and he lost a series to the SA side that got Coetzee canned. He's had his moments to be sure, but when people talked about him getting the AB's job after this year I thought they were insane. Schmidt is allergic to playing expansive rugby at test level. Also, he plays far too conservatively. How many offloads and pop passes do NZ use in a game ? How many do Ireland ? They'd never hire him, not in a million years. They play heads up, instinctive rugby along with whatever the game plan is. Schmidt doesn't allow that.

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