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    Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post
    Farrell’s first squad will be interesting...

    I expect Sexton will be in it but not Kearney
    Sexton's finished physically. He played 1 warmup game out of 4, had to be minded through the Scotland game, couldn't play a week later and could only manage 40 minutes the week after that.
    It's a new cycle now and there's no reason to endure a 34 year old who needs to be glued together for a big game once in a blue moon.

    Time to give Joey the keys and build something new.

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      Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

      It certainly will be interesting, but I really really hope Sexton retires from international rugby, it will stifle development if he stays on. I really hope he starts with a blank page and watches as much hcup and pro14 as possible, and picks form players with an eye on the future.
      How would you define form players though? Is it players that win games etc?

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        Originally posted by kahalui View Post
        NZ England will be a great game.
        Don’t think we would have beaten any of the other QF teams with that performance, we may have done England a favour by giving NZ a free pass into the Semis. The boks showed a template in how to approach playing NZ which the English can match and improve upon. I think they’ll be waiting in the long grass for them and if put under serious pressure NZ are beatable.



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          Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post
          Joe says we needed another couple of days recovery, but Irish rugby is in a great place. Team didn’t have a great year- a bit flat- after reaching a great height. Seems not to have any responsibility for it.
          The reason we need more recovery is because of horrendously attritional gameplan he's created.

          Joe is a sound man, a great coach on his own merits, and has obviously has had a major positive influence on Irish rugby. But his approach has been ripped asunder over the last year, and his reputation as an international head coach has taken a massive hammering.
          "There are probably more annoying things than being hectored about African development by a wealthy Irish rock star in a cowboy hat, but I can't think of one at the moment"

          Paul Theroux

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            Originally posted by Dowlinz View Post

            Sexton's finished physically. He played 1 warmup game out of 4, had to be minded through the Scotland game, couldn't play a week later and could only manage 40 minutes the week after that.
            It's a new cycle now and there's no reason to endure a 34 year old who needs to be glued together for a big game once in a blue moon.

            Time to give Joey the keys and build something new.
            The same Joey who got injured in first RWC warm up and wasn't fit until Japan game and then injured again???

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              Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post

              Conway
              Earls
              Scannell
              Farrell
              Daly
              Carbery
              Murray

              Killer
              Scannell
              Ryan
              Kleyn
              Beirne
              TOD
              POM
              CJ

              not a bad team....
              It’s a fine side, and there is some excellent back up, and promising young players coming through, and I think we have the coaching ticket to get us playing more interesting, but winning rugby. I wonder when the guys in Japan will be back, while some haven’t had much game time in Japan, they have already had a fairly long season, and being in top form next May is a heck of an ask if they don’t get some decent R&R before they return. I think that’s certainly the case for POM, Murray, and CJ.

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                  Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post

                  How would you define form players though? Is it players that win games etc?
                  How about absence of basic errors under pressure, fulfilling their attacking /defending responsibilities consistently, actually being fit enough to start and finish a game, actually playing regularly (except for player management), winning is too dependent on who you are playing with and against, and is generally a ‘team’ effort. I agree with you about Joeys injury proneness, but in terms of what we currently have, a fit Joey has a higher ceiling than anyone else who has a future.

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                    Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

                    It’s a fine side, and there is some excellent back up, and promising young players coming through, and I think we have the coaching ticket to get us playing more interesting, but winning rugby. I wonder when the guys in Japan will be back, while some haven’t had much game time in Japan, they have already had a fairly long season, and being in top form next May is a heck of an ask if they don’t get some decent R&R before they return. I think that’s certainly the case for POM, Murray, and CJ.
                    I agree. Thinking in the longer term is the correct attitude now.
                    I would rest those 3 lads for 2-3 months. Looking to restart in January. Tell the squad players this is their chance. Should be mandated by IRFU so it’s fair across the provinces.
                    We are all very disappointed. But recriminations against individual players not appropriate. Joe is gone as head coach. Hope Farrell has learned from his mistakes. We should look to rebuild with aim of substantial improvement in 2years and if not there, leave the coaches go and start again. Targeting the following World Cup.

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                      Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

                      It’s a fine side, and there is some excellent back up, and promising young players coming through, and I think we have the coaching ticket to get us playing more interesting, but winning rugby. I wonder when the guys in Japan will be back, while some haven’t had much game time in Japan, they have already had a fairly long season, and being in top form next May is a heck of an ask if they don’t get some decent R&R before they return. I think that’s certainly the case for POM, Murray, and CJ.
                      I would imagine 2 weeks max off now and then back to Munster. We play Ulster on 9 November so perhaps they will report to duty the previous Monday with some involvement in that game (but more importantly some hands on time with new coaching set up.
                      Last edited by The Last Stand; 19th-October-2019, 13:17.

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                        Very disappointing performance. It's like they went into their shells a bit. I was fairly confident we'd put it up to them before kickoff, but seeing the face on Best during the anthems I knew we were goosed. He looked filled with anxiety. Such a pity for a lot of the older players that won't get another chance :(

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                          Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post

                          The same Joey who got injured in first RWC warm up and wasn't fit until Japan game and then injured again???
                          Young bodies heal fast, there's no long term cause for concern for Joey.
                          Every game is a struggle for Sexton now and at 34 it'll only get worse. His career at the highest level is finished this season whether the IRFU or Farrell realise it or not, although you could probably argue it was finished last season.

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                            Not really a disappointment regarding our level and the fact we had to play the Galactics or the Saffes. But the final score and most of all the one way game we had to endure really hurt.
                            Imagine that: In the WHOLE game, we were only three times in their 5 meters, and on the second occasion, we scored by Robbie. That was in the 65 minute!
                            I took the rout in England as a simple incident of preparation, what the wins over Wales and most of all over Scotland seemed to confirm. I considered the defeat against Japan was the consequence of a lack of ingredients in our game, most of all of mentally ingredients and of an excess of self-importence (what, this said, does absolutely not suits the irish mentality). I was wrong on the whole line: This team and most of all it's management is simply at the end of its way, of its system, of its philosophy, a bit like what happened to EOS's team 12 years ago in France. The veterans struggled and did not have the influence they had in the past, the team seemed to be physically limited, and Joe's system appears to be worn down to the tread.

                            End of a (long) cycle, with players who were at their top last year.
                            - Rory is away, who's the next? Sean Cronin is 33. Nial Scanell seems the next one. But with who?
                            - We have material at props., Tadgh Furlong is only 26, Andrew Porter 23. After all, Cian Healy is the oldest, and 32 for a prop is not so old.
                            - Second rowers: No problem. James Ryan is only 23, Jean-Klein is 26, Iain Henderson and Tadgh Beirn are 27. The issue is the stereotypical game the coaches let them play: Most of all, they are staying or they move with insufficient pace when the get the ball and they have issues to break the line. When you see what Ryan, Henderson and most of all Beirn can do when they get the ball in movement, it's a pity. Moreover, when you see how the Blacks for exemple allow the ball to live when they are tackled and go to the ground, there is a huge difference with the irish philosophy.
                            - Back row will be an issue: CJ does not break the walls anymore, POM was the only light on the game today. Rhys Ruddock was good. We missed Dan Leavy even if Josh Van der Flier was not bad at all, but what will be with him after his injury?
                            - Because speaking about recovery, Connor has never been the Connor from before his injury. He looks slow, awkward, no more as accurate in his box-kicks. Drama: McGrath is no more a young promising player and is by far not ready, and Marmion did not convinced. I fear a desert at 9 in the next years.
                            - Johnny is 34 and at the end of the way. Today, he was simply bad. But Joey was not better. Jack Carty has a very good level in club, but I feel he was a spare tyre
                            - At center, Robbie had a mare in this competition. Garry Ringrose tried, but without success.. Bundy was our best player, but he is 32.
                            - In the back three, our best player was Keith who was defensively outstanding, but he is 32. Jacob had a bad experience, but is talented and young enough to get something out it;, Jordan Larmour is the future. An please, get rid of Rob "the ball digger" Kearney! If the new crew wants to give an new based on speed, pace and game continuity philosophy, he cannpt suit in the plan.
                            And last question: With Farrell who is known to be a specialist of the defense, and Mike Catt who's coming (if I do not commit a mistake) what will be the plan? What will be the plan of development of the game? Wiil there be a change of philosophy, because today, New Munster let the irish rugby look very very old and updated. Courage and a respect of a strict game plan are no more enough, most of all if this plan has been analyzed, and dissected for years without any B plan was put on the table.

                            This said, thanks to Joe (to Rory and to those who will leave the boat after years of loyal service), and don't throw the baby out with the bathwater: Three 6N, one Grand Slam, never worse than 3rd in the tournament, two victories against the ABs for the first time ever, a win in the serie against Australia last summer, we have to stay grateful to him
                            The curse of the WC quarters goes on, up to the next crew to find a solution. But concerning that, I do not feel really at ease
                            Last edited by JN.Allezdax.com; 19th-October-2019, 13:25.
                            The Scots (originally Irish, but by now Scotch) were at this time inhabiting Ireland, having driven the Irish (Picts) out of Scotland; while the Picts (originally Scots) were now Irish (living in brackets) and vice versa. It is essential to keep these distinctions clearly in mind (and verce visa).

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                              Originally posted by Miguel Sanchez View Post

                              Not even close.
                              Aye
                              Gwan Joe!!

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                                Originally posted by busby View Post
                                You can say a lot about that, coaching, strategy, players, etc. But there is something fundamentally flawed in the soft underbelly of Irish rugby culture.
                                I always think we are just too nice to the opposition and the officials.

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