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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    world cup punishments always are bit off compared to normal punishments imo.
    bundee was dangerous and I think missing 3 game can be seen as fair
    International career-defining punishment for what Bundee did, or didn't do in .2 of a second seems more than a bit off to me. He must be gutted.
    Gwan Joe!!

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      Originally posted by blueberry View Post

      When he does get over the gain line that's fine, but he doesn't generally distribute or offer a second kicking option, so swings and roundabouts. For a team like New Zealand he's probably easier to defend against than Owen Farrell would be for example. Henshaw is a more rounded footballer than Aki (and no shinking violet) and Chris Farrell is still a strong carrier with decent hands.
      Aki has developed into the one dimensional player Joe loves at 12. In the warm ups he made a few line breaks and looked a different player. He’d be missed if he played like that, but I’d fancy Farrell at 12 for this one, imposing physically, good defence, and great hands- passing and off loading.

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        Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

        Aki has developed into the one dimensional player Joe loves at 12. In the warm ups he made a few line breaks and looked a different player. He’d be missed if he played like that, but I’d fancy Farrell at 12 for this one, imposing physically, good defence, and great hands- passing and off loading.
        I'd love to see Farrell there too but Joe didn't wait for Henshaw to get fit just to play against Samoa and Ringrose doesn't deserve to be dropped as he has played fairly well.

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          Originally posted by ustix View Post

          International career-defining punishment for what Bundee did, or didn't do in .2 of a second seems more than a bit off to me. He must be gutted.
          considering how referees were instructed to deal with incidents like that it is a fair decision. I'm sure he is gutted but that is irrelevant to the decision to ban him.
          I dont see what's off btw. You could argue same about a huge proportions of decisions. Nature of the sport

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            What are the critical selections?

            Back 3 - There are three from Earls, Stockdale, Kearney plus Conway and Larmour in contention

            Centres - Two from Ringrose, Henshaw plus Farrell. Likely to be the first two.

            The half backs pick themselves

            The pack is likely to be Healy, Best, Furlong, Henderson, Ryan, VDF, POM and CJ



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              Hi all,

              Does anyone know anybody that has tickets for the Irish quarter final as i will be in japan and have tickets for the japan vs south Africa match. let me know if you know anybody

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                Originally posted by barryfitz87 View Post

                I'd love to see Farrell there too but Joe didn't wait for Henshaw to get fit just to play against Samoa and Ringrose doesn't deserve to be dropped as he has played fairly well.
                Agree about Ringrose, and think you’re probably right about Henshaw- if only because it’s what joe wanted to do from the get go. Tough on Farrell, he has done well when he’s played. The same policy will probably se Larmour on the bench, and Conway carrying the water bottles.

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                  Originally posted by Daithi View Post

                  Ireland looked great v Scotland first game, then the same side looked flat as a pancake just a week later versus Japan.

                  The front five looked absolutely fupped.... and in conceding scrum penalties, lineout turnovers & collisions ceded the match.

                  Humidity was cited as a factor but recovery was also clearly the big issue imho.

                  Why anyone would think it will be any different 7 days after a group game, playing the ABs, with 14 days rest & prep time, in a RWC quarter final is living in dream land imho. There'll maybe be a good 20-30 mins in Ireland, then unfortunately l see the floodgates opening, as the pace of the game & fatigue wear on them . Sorry, I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

                  P.s. none of this will be helped by bookending the side at 2 & 15 with 2 aged past its, with better players fit, available & playing well in the squad. Also the whole front row, & CJ and a few others could have been rested or benched last weekend versus a weak Samoa but this coach was implementing a 'belt & braces 'approach unfortunately. ABs by ~20 imho
                  So you think that a lot of players would be better off not playing for 3 weeks before the All Blacks game?

                  As for Best his performance against Scotland was the best hookers performance by an Irish hooker in the RWC.

                  The only player who should have not started against Samoa was CJ.

                  I do look forward to you arguing to drop lots of players for the semifinal if we win due to an inability to recover within a week

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                    Originally posted by Miguel Sanchez View Post

                    It's consistent with other similar incidents in this RWC.
                    No it’s consistent with other convictions for breaches of the same Law. Instead of passing ‘sentence’ or sanction on the nature and severity of these incidents they have set a statutory minimum for them all; they have chosen to base their sanctions on policy rather than incident facts.

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                      Originally posted by eddietheeagle View Post
                      Hi all,

                      Does anyone know anybody that has tickets for the Irish quarter final as i will be in japan and have tickets for the japan vs south Africa match. let me know if you know anybody
                      if in Japan look on Facebook and world cup groups/pages and should be plenty Japanese who will be more than happy to exchange tickets for.

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                        Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
                        19:54 today

                        World cup punishments always are bit off compared to normal punishments imo.
                        bundee was dangerous and I think missing 3 game can be seen as fair
                        Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
                        20:44 today


                        I dont see what's off btw. You could argue same about a huge proportions of decisions. Nature of the sport.
                        A bit of a contradiction there.
                        Last edited by Piquet; 15th-October-2019, 22:16.

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                          Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post

                          So you think that a lot of players would be better off not playing for 3 weeks before the All Blacks game?
                          ......
                          Nope, I just don't want Joe Schmidt 'doing the ~same thing & not expecting the same result ' , but you do and that's fine I guess .......



                          .......ah but wait a second, isn't that the definition of insanity!? hmmm.....
                          Last edited by Daithi; 16th-October-2019, 01:21.
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                          alas they are just north munster now.......
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                            Originally posted by RichardP View Post
                            No it’s consistent with other convictions for breaches of the same Law. Instead of passing ‘sentence’ or sanction on the nature and severity of these incidents they have set a statutory minimum for them all; they have chosen to base their sanctions on policy rather than incident facts.
                            I think that's the root of the problem. High tackles have always been punished on the assumption that the tackler has gone in to take the ball carrier out. Now the game is basically saying "intent is irrelevant, we'll card you if you make a technical error and mistime the tackle".

                            That's fine. It moves into the same sort of space as tackling people in the air or tip tackles.

                            But I think the disciplinary process has to keep pace. A red card is a significant punishment in and of itself. If it's doled out for a technical infraction I don't think it needs a ban.

                            You can't really have an internal logic in the game that says not ducking low enough in the tackle is the same as gouging or stamping.
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                              Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post

                              I think that's the root of the problem. High tackles have always been punished on the assumption that the tackler has gone in to take the ball carrier out. Now the game is basically saying "intent is irrelevant, we'll card you if you make a technical error and mistime the tackle".

                              That's fine. It moves into the same sort of space as tackling people in the air or tip tackles.

                              But I think the disciplinary process has to keep pace. A red card is a significant punishment in and of itself. If it's doled out for a technical infraction I don't think it needs a ban.

                              You can't really have an internal logic in the game that says not ducking low enough in the tackle is the same as gouging or stamping.
                              I agree. If you compare the Quill tackle on Farrell with the Aki tackle they're world's apart.

                              The latter is a split second reaction where the player doesn't manage to get low enough against an opponent who was coming at him at speed in a crouched position. There is a clear attempt to wrap and the tackler does attempt to get in a good position, just not quite quickly enough.

                              The former is a premediated shoulder charge to the face of an opponent who is upright and exposed.

                              That both of those incidents got three weeks is just nonsense.

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                                Reading back through the thread I must be missing something, people advocating dropping Ringrose – seriously cant see why. Think Henshaw looked very rusty last week, Farrell is arguably our best option at 12, he has shown better form than Henshaw in the world cup. Ringrose for me is by some distance our best defender at 13. He starts.
                                On the form show so far at the World Cup would go with Murray, Sexton, Earls, Farrell, Ringrose, Stockdale & Larmour. McGrath (need a specialist 9 against the best in the world Mauro Bergamasco anyone) Conway and Joey on the bench & hope Chris Farrell doesn’t need replacing. If (it’s a big If) we get the ball in space we need the guys with the footwork and the ability to use it on the pitch. We are unlikely to run through New Zealand - there is a chance we can run around them.
                                Suspect one of Conway and Farrell wont even make the 23 unfortunately

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