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    Originally posted by lawrence View Post
    Sexton had a rest against Japan, the game that we lost so now joe has to ensure he plays so that we get 5 points.
    Terrible from Joe, Japan was the tougher game in which we needed Jonny and instead we play him in an easier game versus a few Samoan bohemoths who will be handing out a few bashings, Id be amazed if Sexton comes through unscathed.
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      Originally posted by Miguel Sanchez View Post
      The loss to Japan is forcing our hand I think. It was a complete disaster for our campaign. Joe now has to go full bore with a view to achieving a big result against Samoa.

      He'll empty the bench if we're 4 tries up and out of sight I'd imagine.
      Yes, that's probably his stated reason for this 'FLOG YOUR HORSE TO DEATH 'selection strategy, but of course, that rationale is deeply flawed, as any, even casual, observer of previous Irish RWC campaigns will know, only too well.

      When you rotate a squad (intelligently) on tour you enhance your team's performances, not inhibit them.

      Things like keeping the front liners fresh, the squad players match sharp & keen are really key. Also you foster creativity, inclusivity, competition for places and potential tactical variety & a potential element of surprise for oppositions, to keep them guessing.

      Instead this coach has sacrificed all of those significant strengths for security over a hopeless samoa ffs.

      He & his way over the top, safety first for this match strategy, have now effectively finished Ireland's RWC hopes to even be competitive at a RWC quarters in a week's time imho.

      it's a pity, he's been a really great coach previously, though always an average selector imho. This selection is straight from the dark ages though and is a tarnish on his legacy imho.
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        Originally posted by lawrence View Post



        Sexton had a rest against Japan, the game that we lost so now joe has to ensure he plays so that we get 5 points.
        Japan are higher ranked in the world than Samoa and had a lot to play for. It’s not just a matter of rest, but the potential for (aggravating) injury.

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          Originally posted by Miguel Sanchez View Post
          The loss to Japan is forcing our hand I think. It was a complete disaster for our campaign. Joe now has to go full bore with a view to achieving a big result against Samoa.

          He'll empty the bench if we're 4 tries up and out of sight I'd imagine.
          That’s his thinking but, as we saw against Japan, and have seen in previous competitions, it backfires.

          Guys like Killer, Scannell, Ruddock and Conway wouldn’t let him down. There’s very little between them and the starters and playing them would keep others fresh and bring the best out of them.

          Ruddock is in great form and perfect for a game like this so why not start him at 8, or at least put him on the bench?

          Joe doesn’t trust his squad, and as a result, he’s jeopardising our chances of a win next week. Another QF exit looms.

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            FFS everyone just seems to want to complain for the sake of complaining today. People complaining that players were played in both Scotland/Japan game and then complaining that Sexton was rested for that game.

            Taking into account injuries to Conan, Murphy, Henshaw, Carberry, Sexton, Farrell, Aki, Earls and Kearney during the group stages this has limited options for changes.
            4 changes from the Scotland to the Japan game (and Kilcoyne/Porter/Ruddock were already on when Ireland went from being in the lead to losing the game).
            10 changes for the Russian game
            11 changes for the Samoa game (where we have to get a bonus point win). Only surprise is Ruddock missing but I guess they are saving him for SA next week and testing how TB could possibly go at 6 against NZ.

            More than likely we'll be playing a Qtr-final in a weeks time and if not playing this weekend lots of players won't have played for 3 weeks (is that the way to approach this game)?

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              Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post
              FFS everyone just seems to want to complain for the sake of complaining today. .....
              and in other news, the chief cheerleader for the flat earth society has spoken .......

              Let's just repeat the errors of prior rugby world cups & see if we get a different outcome ....eh not likely joebot!!

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                Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post
                FFS everyone just seems to want to complain for the sake of complaining today. People complaining that players were played in both Scotland/Japan game and then complaining that Sexton was rested for that game.

                Taking into account injuries to Conan, Murphy, Henshaw, Carberry, Sexton, Farrell, Aki, Earls and Kearney during the group stages this has limited options for changes.
                4 changes from the Scotland to the Japan game (and Kilcoyne/Porter/Ruddock were already on when Ireland went from being in the lead to losing the game).
                10 changes for the Russian game
                11 changes for the Samoa game (where we have to get a bonus point win). Only surprise is Ruddock missing but I guess they are saving him for SA next week and testing how TB could possibly go at 6 against NZ.

                More than likely we'll be playing a Qtr-final in a weeks time and if not playing this weekend lots of players won't have played for 3 weeks (is that the way to approach this game)?
                Zero changes to the starting pack between the Scotland and Japan games. Japan made three and had an extra two days' rest. Our pack struggled with fatigue in the second half, we lost the game.

                Barring injury, there will be one change to the starting pack between the Samoa and NZ games. NZ don't even have to play this weekend so will be fresh as daisies next week. Our pack will struggle, we will lose the QF.

                Swapping a few of the backs around doesn't matter a damn when the forwards are knackered.

                What are they saving Ruddock for? To sit on the bench next week instead of in the stand?

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                  Originally posted by Daithi View Post
                  Yup, totally agree three Jay, TS & MB.

                  Worse: The Irish management know only too well that over playing players in the group has previously led to huge dips in performance in the Quarters at previous world cups e.g. RWC 15, 11, 03, etc,etc,

                  Yet, here we go again, the Irish have just written off any chance they had in the quarters imho (if they weren't already beaten!?)

                  Stupid, really fuppin stupid actually. Oh yeah they'll qualify securely with a 60 pt win this game versus a 30 point win say, but our 1st 15 will be flogged in high humidity, 7 days before playing SA, with even less time to work on moves & plays with a fresh 1st XV (&23) behind closed doors. (ALL OF WHICH THEY REALLY, REALLY NEEDED) Ireland's world cup is now definitely over next match, and by an embarrassing margin also I'd wager. Absolutely no excuse for this lack of ambition imho, none!!!

                  P.s. the players will also see this for the complete cop out it is imho. They are pros, they know when another pro (I.e. the coach) hasn't backed them. Woejus!!!
                  I thought we were playing the awl blix , assuming we beat Samoa??
                  Gwan Joe!!

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                    Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

                    Zero changes to the starting pack between the Scotland and Japan games. Japan made three and had an extra two days' rest. Our pack struggled with fatigue in the second half, we lost the game.

                    Barring injury, there will be one change to the starting pack between the Samoa and NZ games. NZ don't even have to play this weekend so will be fresh as daisies next week. Our pack will struggle, we will lose the QF.

                    Swapping a few of the backs around doesn't matter a damn when the forwards are knackered.

                    What are they saving Ruddock for? To sit on the bench next week instead of in the stand?
                    ah yeah, 'A Fish Rots From the Head'.

                    Unfortunately, this is now a selector who has completely lost his bottle. He simply doesn't trust his wider squad enough, to put away an exiting minnow ffs, even though many of his squad players are as good as, or better, than their respective front liners imho e.g. Killer v Healy, Scannell v old Best, Porter/Ryan v Furlong, Ruddock v a fatigued CJ, Carberry versus a crocked Sexton, Conway v old Kearney, etc, etc, etc.

                    Likely outcome imho: Ireland will beat Samoa well, losing 1/2 crucial front liners to injury. Further Joe will have unnecessarily fatigued his first XV, limited their recovery time and lost the opportunity to play his viable squad options from the off so that they are all fully match sharp.... and game ready to come into a QF if needs be. DUMB & DUMBER!! Hari Kari dumb tbh!!!
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                      Originally posted by ustix View Post

                      I thought we were playing the awl blix , assuming we beat Samoa??
                      Not determined yet. It's dependent on the outcomes of both Ireland v Samoa & Japan v Scotland, neither of which is decided as yet....
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                        Originally posted by Daithi View Post

                        ah yeah, 'A Fish Rots From the Head'.

                        Unfortunately, this is now a selector who has completely lost his bottle. He simply doesn't trust his wider squad enough to put away a minnow, even though many of them are as good as, if not even better than, their respective front liners imho e.g. Killer v Healy, Scannell v old Best, Porter/Ryan v Furlong, Ruddock v a fatigued CJ, Carberry versus a crocked Sexton, Conway v old Kearney, etc, etc, etc.

                        Likely outcome imho: Ireland will beat Samoa well, losing 1/2 crucial front liners to injury. Further Joe will fatigue their first XV unnecessarily, limit their recovery time and lose the opportunity to play their squad options from the off so that they are fully match sharp.... and razor ready to come into a QF if needs be. DUMB & DUMBER!!
                        This is a fit squad and should cope well enough with a week of recovery time - PROVIDED Schmidt does not flog them to death in training in the meantime. I have a feeling that the knackered-in-training syndrome played a significant role in Ireland's monster humping by England in the RWC warmup game.

                        Erse end of nowhere

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                          Originally posted by Spiffy View Post

                          This is a fit squad and should cope well enough with a week of recovery time - PROVIDED Schmidt does not flog them to death in training in the meantime. I have a feeling that the knackered-in-training syndrome played a significant role in Ireland's monster humping by England in the RWC warmup game.
                          Ordinarily, perhaps, with the proviso that they are not flogged in trading- but conditions make a massive difference to recovery time.

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                            Originally posted by Spiffy View Post

                            This is a fit squad and should cope well enough with a week of recovery time - PROVIDED Schmidt does not flog them to death in training in the meantime. I have a feeling that the knackered-in-training syndrome played a significant role in Ireland's monster humping by England in the RWC warmup game.
                            Compare this tournament with the 6Ns. Five games over a six week period (not counting prep weeks at the start) and that’s considered quite a heavy load.

                            To win this comp a team is required to play seven games over the same time period. The fatigue will build if guys aren’t rotated.

                            Sure, CJ can recover from a game in a week, but once he’s played three or four weeks in a row his performance levels will drop. He, at least, should be benched for this.

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                              Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

                              Compare this tournament with the 6Ns. Five games over a six week period (not counting prep weeks at the start) and that’s considered quite a heavy load.

                              To win this comp a team is required to play seven games over the same time period. The fatigue will build if guys aren’t rotated.

                              Sure, CJ can recover from a game in a week, but once he’s played three or four weeks in a row his performance levels will drop. He, at least, should be benched for this.
                              Absolutely- add in the absence of home comforts, travel, changing hotels, opposition and conditions you are
                              much less familiar with etc etc. Recovery isn’t rocket science, but it is science.

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                                This is a fit team, but it’s the danger of injuries v a very physical Samoa on a really poor pitch is what’s concerning me. The selection is interesting.
                                No Ringrose is a given, no Kearney is probably needed because of lack of cover at 15 looking ahead to the next game. The backrow is an interesting one. I expected POM to bench this/not be on the squad at all but I’m surprised there’s no Ruddock, Beirne is a good option at 6 but that’s an interesting selection.
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