Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Ireland v Samoa 12/10

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Ireland v Samoa 12/10

    Well a win is required and ideally a bonus point win but that can't be guaranteed after last nights performance.

    I guess a team like the following will be picked.

    Healy, Best, Porter, Beirne, Ryan, Ruddock, VDF, CJ, Murray, Sexton, Stockdale, Farrell, Henshaw, Larmour, Kearney - Kilcoyne, Cronin, Furlong, Henderson, POM, McGrath, Carberry, Conway

    #2
    Good article from Toland in the Irish Times today. A shout out to the Irish Times Digital edition - 16 euro a month with great phone and tablet apps. Very good value and supports journalism. If they got rid of Wummisky I would pay 18 a month.
    We are being pulled into dogfights and not managing our way out

    Liam Toland

    How to frame Ireland’s bonus point win? Yes, a bonus point is what we had hoped for, a result which would lead to a happy camp. But for so much of the second half there were precious few smiles as frustrations grew.

    Why does it look like hard work with Ireland struggling to adapt and conquer beyond the first quarter? The answer is a complex one. Are we genuinely a top four team? A top 10 team? Or have we slipped further down the pecking order?

    If we believe we belong in the top four, then I wonder how much fun New Zealand, England, South Africa, Australia, Argentina and Wales would have had in Kobe yesterday.

    What Ireland served up was a brilliant first half followed by a second period of mounting errors with poor game management as they struggled to banish memories of last week’s defeat to Japan.

    Is that who we are now?

    In his pre-match comments Joe Schmidt stated that “if we can replicate that 20 minutes four times over, I think we’d have been in a really good position”.

    In any field sport the intent is to create and exploit space and for those opening salvos that’s exactly what Ireland did. What a joy to see Tadhg Beirne taking the ball at flat out pace, circling off his scrumhalf Luke McGrath while carrying into the Russian fringe defence.

    The lineout leading to this play wasn’t perfect, the attitude seemed to be: ‘Who cares, we’ll dominate either way’. That was certainly the one Rob Kearney adopted and the fullback was so determined when arriving onto the ball that neither man nor beast would have prized it off him. It set the tone perfectly, made a statement and Ireland led 7-0 after two minutes.

    Field position

    Ireland’s opening tries were built on play that dominated the Russians, leading to opportunities that were ruthlessly taken while Johnny Sexton was at the tiller. His understanding of field position, the opposition’s emotional energy, structures and weaknesses was crucial in exploiting the space created by the Irish pack.

    Against a markedly inferior Russian side I began to wonder if Ireland could live up to Schmidt’s opening remarks and replicate that opening 20 minute performance four times over? Contrasting the 35-minute mark between this win and the defeat to Japan provides an interesting benchmark.

    Whereas last week we witnessed that infamous Japanese turnover penalty scrum that sucked the life out of Ireland on 35 minutes, yesterday we saw Rhys Ruddock’s monster try, Ireland’s third. Game over in both cases but Schmidt’s remarks only started to carry validity in both games from 35 minutes on. So did Ireland adapt and conquer yesterday?

    The second 40 minutes brought an infuriating error count, one that makes life so much more difficult for the half backs charged with managing the game. Iain Henderson came on, carried several times and was turned over on three occasions. CJ Stander looked for contact with scoring players outside him.

    Bundee Aki dropped a Russian clearing kick. As the errors mounted, and Ireland’s game management deteriorated, Russia grew into the game.

    Jack Carty came on for Sexton at the start of the second half, bringing with him the obvious juxtaposition between his role as a player and as a controller. Several times, as he did against Japan, he carried into contact. Too often it was off crap ball. Why does he do this to himself and the team? As the crap ball is being presented he should bully the scrumhalf not to pass it to him and arrange a fatty to carry.

    This would afford him time and space to plan his team’s next phases. He can’t do this at the bottom of a ruck. He is a fabulous player but must develop a steeliness to boss his team the way he wants it. Then, and only then, can he replicate the brilliance of spotting the onrushing Russians with no sweeper before chipping a beauty over the top for Keith Earls and Conway to pounce and score.

    How often I have found myself shouting bravo at Garry Ringrose as he forages for opportunities. Against Japan it was off rucks and breakdowns. But why is our modern day Brendan Mullin buried in breakdowns hunting for the ball?

    Why is he not out wide in space powering around flat footed defenders? In the second half, as the errors built and we lost the gainline, the Irish began to shovel the ball laterally in the hope of a miracle. To be fair to Jordan Larmour, at least he trusted his pace and fast feet, testing the Russian defensive width before the interplay between himself, Earls and Ringrose led to our final try.

    Opportunities

    What assets we have out wide, yet how seldom our play gifts them opportunities – especially when we are struggling on the gainline. Adapting to the ever-changing scenarios, the ability to play heads up rugby has become a struggle for Ireland. Errors clearly don’t help but without a second pivot to exploit opportunity and without Sexton on the pitch there appears no replacement capable of adapting the game plan in order to succeed.

    The root of the problem is difficult to pinpoint. Off field management, on field communications, on field culture, poor broken field preparation with overreliance on set piece gainline wins.

    But the effect is obvious; we’re being pulled into dog fights and not managing our way out. With a maximum of four games left, yesterday opened the door to a shift in selection. Based on form, Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, John Ryan, Luke McGrath, Andrew Conway are all now contenders. Rhys Ruddock even more so. International pedigree is crucial but so too are those currently best able to adapt and conquer the challenges ahead.

    Comment


      #3
      Originally posted by In Joe we trust View Post
      Well a win is required and ideally a bonus point win but that can't be guaranteed after last nights performance.

      I guess a team like the following will be picked.

      Healy, Best, Porter, Beirne, Ryan, Ruddock, VDF, CJ, Murray, Sexton, Stockdale, Farrell, Henshaw, Larmour, Kearney - Kilcoyne, Cronin, Furlong, Henderson, POM, McGrath, Carberry, Conway
      In my opinion, Carbery should start at full back. We need to see if that is a realistic option.so Carty on bench again.

      Comment


        #4
        We based a lot of our success in previous years on the lineout and having Johnny at 10.

        We didn’t bring Toner and our lineout has weakened, we didn’t play Johnny and our performances suffered. Only
        one of them will probably be rectified by the QF, unless joe gets someone to take a dive and bring in Devin.

        Both SA or NZ can make complete shyte of our lineout in the QF. NZ have Retallick coming back in their next game so it will be him and whitelock VS Ryan & Hendo or Etzebeth & Mostert for SA. Thats our lineout fcked either way so our primary platform for attack is in big trouble.

        As for how fit Johnny is, and his ability to play 70 minutes against either team is anyone’s guess. He will have an infinitely harder day out than he did against Scotland and he didn’t exactly pass that test with Murray taking his kicks.



        Comment


          #5
          Based on performances to date Carbery shouldn’t start anywhere, not because of ability but because of injuries. This squad selected too many doubtful players in their hospital squad - but if he does it should be at 10 in my opinion.

          Comment


            #6
            Originally posted by RichardP View Post
            Based on performances to date Carbery shouldn’t start anywhere, not because of ability but because of injuries. This squad selected too many doubtful players in their hospital squad - but if he does it should be at 10 in my opinion.
            Sexton needs to play and play 60-70 minutes. We wont win a QF without him, battle ready. I thought we should have started Carbery at FB v Russia; we didnt, and it would have been moot anyway because of his injury. We will hardly do it now v Russia. He has to gamble, bench Carbery for Samoa, hope to put the game to bed, and give him 20 minutes or so so he is an option for the QF. We need Sexton to start and him to bench vs ABs or SA.

            Comment


              #7
              Plan is for Sexton to play 40-60 minutes against Samoa, according to Joe. I imagine it will depend on how we’re doing but we’d want to take him off as soon as we feel comfortable to do so.

              Guess Joey will play the rest, if fit.

              Comment


                #8
                Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post

                In my opinion, Carbery should start at full back. We need to see if that is a realistic option.so Carty on bench again.
                Conway is a very realistic FB option, how about we play him?

                Comment


                  #9
                  Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
                  Plan is for Sexton to play 40-60 minutes against Samoa, according to Joe. I imagine it will depend on how we’re doing but we’d want to take him off as soon as we feel comfortable to do so.

                  Guess Joey will play the rest, if fit.
                  I posted something similar above, which was based on what Joe said immediately after the game, I believe.

                  Mind you, given some other things he said, I would take it with a pinch of salt. sexton/carbery need to be starting/benching for this, particularly Carbery. We need to know he is fit, and get him some game time, far too much to hope he’ll be fine in QF if he doesn’t play. I’d prefer we kept Sexton clear of things, he seems good for a half at least, and is better than both of the others. I cannot see what we get from picking him for this game, I wouldn’t have done for Russia either, but then when Joey did whatever he did to his ankle, or whatever someone else did to his foot- it had to be Sexton and Carty. I’ve added him merely because that’s what I think Joe will do, certainly was what he said he would. Arguably, there’s no point in playing Carty, he has had lots of game time, and has played consistently, we know what he can do, he might as well rest up if we need him.

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

                    Conway is a very realistic FB option, how about we play him?
                    If Joe was unwilling to pick him there for the 6 nations game against Italy and the 4 warm up games before the competition he will hardly pick him there now.

                    Conway could bench because of his versatility, but Larmour is the anointed one to be the next FB by the looks of selections.

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Originally posted by RichardP View Post
                      Based on performances to date Carbery shouldn’t start anywhere, not because of ability but because of injuries. This squad selected too many doubtful players in their hospital squad - but if he does it should be at 10 in my opinion.
                      From a Munster point-of-view I really would like Carbery to start so that he has played a bit after he comes back after RWC. The HCup is approaching fast and Carbery needs playing minutes before that.

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Originally posted by RichardP View Post
                        Based on performances to date Carbery shouldn’t start anywhere, not because of ability but because of injuries. This squad selected too many doubtful players in their hospital squad - but if he does it should be at 10 in my opinion.
                        You are right, of course, but imagine what this site would have been like had Joe left Joey at home, or other site had Sexton been left at home. I desperately hope Carbery comes good, but I wonder home much time this young/fit/healthy guy has missed since last September. I think it’s one thing taking a punt on someone be who is rarely injured travelling when injured, and another having guys travel whose fitness record is patchy. As you rightly point out, we have quite a few in that category.

                        Comment


                          #13
                          Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

                          Conway is a very realistic FB option, how about we play him?
                          He is but him and Earls are my wingers.

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

                            I posted something similar above, which was based on what Joe said immediately after the game, I believe.

                            Mind you, given some other things he said, I would take it with a pinch of salt. sexton/carbery need to be starting/benching for this, particularly Carbery. We need to know he is fit, and get him some game time, far too much to hope he’ll be fine in QF if he doesn’t play. I’d prefer we kept Sexton clear of things, he seems good for a half at least, and is better than both of the others. I cannot see what we get from picking him for this game, I wouldn’t have done for Russia either, but then when Joey did whatever he did to his ankle, or whatever someone else did to his foot- it had to be Sexton and Carty. I’ve added him merely because that’s what I think Joe will do, certainly was what he said he would. Arguably, there’s no point in playing Carty, he has had lots of game time, and has played consistently, we know what he can do, he might as well rest up if we need him.
                            Sexton probably needs a bit more game time and we need his control against Samoa, at least until we’ve got our noses well in front, as against Russia. Then let Joey have a go, if he’s fit.

                            It’s a risk but it’s one we probably have to take.

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Stockdale has had a very quiet competition so far, possibly through no fault of his own due to how we are playing but he could do with an score or two

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X