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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    it would be fine Ireland, New Zealand etc played more games outside of world cups to help improve standards of Uruguay, Fiji, Georgia etc but expanding to 40 or so players isnt the right way to go about things for me. It cant be as simple as do it as that's how it goès
    What purpose would be served by Uruguay playing regular games against NZ or Ireland?

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      Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post

      What purpose would be served by Uruguay playing regular games against NZ or Ireland?
      I was including them with others but they need more games against stronger sides in the 4 years between world cups or they will never improve or get chance to improve

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        Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
        I was including them with others but they need more games against stronger sides in the 4 years between world cups or they will never improve or get chance to improve
        Just playing lots of games against tier 1 sides doesn’t make teams like Uruguay significantly better. The gap is too wide.

        They need better underage structures and professional clubs to produce quality players for the national team. For that they need cash and good administration.

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          Some wild stuff here.
          Keith Earls is one of the handful on this panel who can do things and make things happen. He could have put McGrath clear for a simple run in early on but McGrath overran. He popped up in midfield to take Cartys dink and play the simple but perfect pass to put Conway in the hole. Took Larmours pass, drew tackle and passed a simple pass to Larmour (while falling after tackle) for Larmour to then put Ringrose away. He is a playmaker who looks for work. It is a problem with our structure that we restrict him to chasing and returning.
          Larmour is average, and was well shown up by an almost decade older KE who overtook him to do the try-saving tackle v Japan - not just the speed,but the timing of the tackle and the recovery after to secure possession. Larmour has disappointed and the only realistic back three for a bit of creativity and kick chasing (once we launch proper chaseable ones) is Conway 15, with Earls and Stockdale on wings. Sexton is vital, especially as leader. Best centre pairing is a fit Henshaw 12 and Ringrose/Farrell 13 (horses for courses). Killer good today and even against Japan.
          As anyone who sees Munster play regularly realises, Kleyn is not international material but will be useful to absorb agression from Samoa. If POM is to be treated as 7, then if Jodi does not recover, bring Toner out and treat Hendo/Beirne as 6s. If a bolter, then Deegan has played more high level club than Doris and poor TOD is injury-prone.
          Ruddock did well today. McGrath not top level 9 - leaving Marmion at home looks a mistake.
          There are good performances inherent in this group, and maybe getting the group behind us will allow it escape.
          We always have struggled gainst inferior teams.
          Last edited by isola ciarrai; 3rd-October-2019, 22:58.

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            Originally posted by isola ciarrai View Post
            Some wild stuff here.
            Keith Earls is one of the handful on this panel who can do things and make things happen. He could have put McGrath clear for a simple run in early on but McGrath overran. He popped up in midfield to take Cartys dink and play the simple but perfect pass to put Conway in the hole. Took Larmours pass, drew tackle and passed a simple pass to Larmour (while falling after tackle) for Larmour to then put Ringrose away. He is a playmaker who looks for work. It is a problem with our structure that we restrict him to chasing and returning.
            Larmour is average, and was well shown up by an almost decade older KE who overtook him to do the try-saving tackle v Japan - not just the speed,but the timing of the tackle and the recovery after to secure possession. Larmour has disappointed and the only realistic back three for a bit of creativity and kick chasing (once we launch proper chaseable ones) is Conway 15, with Earls and Stockdale on wings. Sexton is vital, especially as leader. Best centre pairing is a fit Henshaw 12 and Ringrose/Farrell 13 (horses for courses). Killer good today and even against Japan.
            As anyone who sees Munster play regularly realises, Kleyn is not international material but will be useful to absorb agression from Samoa. If POM is to be treated as 7, then if Jodi does not recover, bring Toner out and treat Hendo/Beirne as 6s. If a bolter, then Deegan has played more high level club than Doris and poor TOD is injury-prone.
            Ruddock did well today. McGrath not top level 9 - leaving Marmion at home looks a mistake.
            There are good performances inherent in this group, and maybe getting the group behind us will allow it escape.
            We always have struggled gainst inferior teams.
            I've mentioned it before on these boards, but I do think that Ireland suffers from a lack of midfield gas. Ringrose is the almost man - an intelligent footballer, good footwork, sound defender etc. but he just does not have the top end speed to make an impression on tight defences. Henshaw/Aki/Farrell are all in the same boat - hardworkers, tough defenders, powerful runners - but none of them will run away from a defence the way that BOD was able to do. I was hoping to see Addison in this RWC - a bloke with some real speed and midfield skills. I think he will be called on board for the next 6N. Still think that Earls could do a job at 13 - fastest man in the squad, great hands/feet, rugby intelligence and punches way above his weight. His counter rucking in recent games is quite amazing for a little fella. Maybe the time has come to try something different. We definitely need an electric midfielder to jazz things up in attack.

            Erse end of nowhere

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              Are we the only nation to take 30 players in a 31 man squad? Bob Henshaw must be some man on the squeezebox to get on the plane and not play
              I am the million man.

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                Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

                Just playing lots of games against tier 1 sides doesn’t make teams like Uruguay significantly better. The gap is too wide.

                They need better underage structures and professional clubs to produce quality players for the national team. For that they need cash and good administration.
                Absolutely, and the cash that enables them to offer promising players the opportunity of playing at home, funds to pay retired/resting top level coaches to help develop their own, referees to spend time with them to reduce being penalised unnecessarily, and yes- games- probably against Maori, Wolfhounds, Saxons etc. That money can be generated by the tier1 nations- and used to nurture the game world wide, rather than increasing the divide. (Please do not accuse me of socialism again, I see it as increasing the size of the cake overall!)

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                  Originally posted by Spiffy View Post

                  I've mentioned it before on these boards, but I do think that Ireland suffers from a lack of midfield gas. Ringrose is the almost man - an intelligent footballer, good footwork, sound defender etc. but he just does not have the top end speed to make an impression on tight defences. Henshaw/Aki/Farrell are all in the same boat - hardworkers, tough defenders, powerful runners - but none of them will run away from a defence the way that BOD was able to do. I was hoping to see Addison in this RWC - a bloke with some real speed and midfield skills. I think he will be called on board for the next 6N. Still think that Earls could do a job at 13 - fastest man in the squad, great hands/feet, rugby intelligence and punches way above his weight. His counter rucking in recent games is quite amazing for a little fella. Maybe the time has come to try something different. We definitely need an electric midfielder to jazz things up in attack.
                  After injury and quite a few quiet games, I think Ringrose is actually doing well in this World Cup. At this level, midfield is invariably crowded, and someone who finds space, and is quick enough to exploit it, is invaluable. He is in that mould- players like Earls and Conway manage to be elusive and seriously quick (conways chase down against Scotland, one of many examples), but are classic back three players- what’s needed at centre is different. Besides injury, Ringrose’s problem is the what happens between him and Murray is too ponderous and disjointed. Aki has lots of strengths, is brave and fierce, but hard to play outside. He would probably be better if he had someone outside in a similar mould. I had hopes that Farrell might be a better option in order to maximise what we get from Ringrose, he might still be.

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                    Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                    Are we the only nation to take 30 players in a 31 man squad? Bob Henshaw must be some man on the squeezebox to get on the plane and not play
                    All the focus appears to be on the latter end of October Cb
                    Gwan Joe!!

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                      Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

                      Absolutely, and the cash that enables them to offer promising players the opportunity of playing at home, funds to pay retired/resting top level coaches to help develop their own, referees to spend time with them to reduce being penalised unnecessarily, and yes- games- probably against Maori, Wolfhounds, Saxons etc. That money can be generated by the tier1 nations- and used to nurture the game world wide, rather than increasing the divide. (Please do not accuse me of socialism again, I see it as increasing the size of the cake overall!)
                      Sounds like a first cousin of Socialism to me
                      Gwan Joe!!

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                        Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post

                        What purpose would be served by Uruguay playing regular games against NZ or Ireland?
                        Painting better pictures?
                        Gwan Joe!!

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                          Originally posted by jagawayagain View Post

                          Absolutely, and the cash that enables them to offer promising players the opportunity of playing at home, funds to pay retired/resting top level coaches to help develop their own, referees to spend time with them to reduce being penalised unnecessarily, and yes- games- probably against Maori, Wolfhounds, Saxons etc. That money can be generated by the tier1 nations- and used to nurture the game world wide, rather than increasing the divide. (Please do not accuse me of socialism again, I see it as increasing the size of the cake overall!)
                          Yes comrade

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                            Originally posted by ustix View Post

                            Sounds like a first cousin of Socialism to me
                            many types of politics are first cousins of each other.

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                              So Joey was pulled because:

                              "Just after the captain’s run (Carbery) jarred his heel into the ground" Schmidt

                              "There are a few unlucky instances in rugby where you might get a little stamp" Feek

                              So either the management don't know how people are getting injured or else they are taking poo!

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                                Originally posted by DABOSS View Post
                                So Joey was pulled because:

                                "Just after the captain’s run (Carbery) jarred his heel into the ground" Schmidt

                                "There are a few unlucky instances in rugby where you might get a little stamp" Feek

                                So either the management don't know how people are getting injured or else they are taking poo!
                                It was very awkward watching ITV asking Sexton if he was fully fit before the game. He was lying very unconvincingly.

                                The interview with Schmidt afterwards was worse. Schmidt said that he was always planning to take him off and then froze when he was asked about Sexton icing himself on the bench.

                                Schmidt is lying because he's expecting to play Sexton injured and it's unethical, immoral and possibly illegal.

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