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    Nobody here is asking the really important question.............are we ranked no.1 in the world anymore?

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      Originally posted by i_like_cake View Post
      Can we blame Kearney?
      He is the past. Not the present or the future. But he was not the reason we lost.

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        Originally posted by Brenny View Post
        Nobody here is asking the really important question.............are we ranked no.1 in the world anymore?
        When were we ranked number 1?

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          Originally posted by HenryFitz View Post
          Ireland's tries came from chip kicks. Couldn't manufacture anything else.
          But those were executed very nicely.

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            Who holds the Raeburn shield?

            Am am I right that it is now Japan.

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              Originally posted by Brenny View Post
              Nobody here is asking the really important question.............are we ranked no.1 in the world anymore?
              Down to 4th now.

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                Just finished to watch the game... Eh be... Total blackout, total deserved win for Japan. No rythm, no pace, no plan B against a very offensive defense. Permament obtuse one-on-one challenges, and in the collisions, we were clearly beaten. Two crucial line-outs were ruined. The scrum was not dominating as usual. Restrictive game plan. This 12-19 reminds me cruelly the 20-32 against England in Dublin. They have eaten us raw.
                Once again, we never gave the impression of coming of the pitch as if the victory was already done. After the first game, Andy Conway said the front players were savage. Were was the irish pride and the savagery. And letting sone those primary qualities, there was no plan B.
                More depressing and worrying, Japan played with the foot down on the accelerator, from the first to the last minute when the green players looked underpowered.
                All this confirms my opinion Ireland first opponent is Ireland themselves. Before the team on the other side, before the influence the ref could have on the score. Schmidt's team plays on AC current.
                This said, grats Japan, it was fresh, interesting. Japan grows and with their new league, it's not finished.
                The Scots (originally Irish, but by now Scotch) were at this time inhabiting Ireland, having driven the Irish (Picts) out of Scotland; while the Picts (originally Scots) were now Irish (living in brackets) and vice versa. It is essential to keep these distinctions clearly in mind (and verce visa).

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                  Congratulations to Jamie Joseph on being the next England manager, a nice bump in wages awaits

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                    Today was sad for us, but may get have done some good. The tournament is far from over. A lot of learning might be happening.

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                      Back row were knackered very early on.

                      We have relied far to much on Stander and O’Mahoney and today seemed to be a game too much. They needed a rest but Joe continued to flog them.

                      As for the backs, the less said the better.

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                        Game plan was working well in first 20 or so with Carty pulling the strings and pinning Japan back in their own half. We were still going well in the second quarter but a couple of errors (lost lineout and scrum) cost us good field position and possession and let Japan back in with two penalties when we should have been stretching our lead.

                        Key thing with Japan is the pace they can play at in those conditions for 80 minutes, with the crowd behind them too. If you don’t put them away in the first 40-50 minutes you’re in trouble, especially with Gardner coaching them through it and penalising Ireland at every opportunity.

                        Not a complete disaster but puts things in perspective.

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                          Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
                          Game plan was working well in first 20 or so with Carty pulling the strings and pinning Japan back in their own half. We were still going well in the second quarter but a couple of errors (lost lineout and scrum) cost us good field position and possession and let Japan back in with two penalties when we should have been stretching our lead.

                          Key thing with Japan is the pace they can play at in those conditions for 80 minutes, with the crowd behind them too. If you don’t put them away in the first 40-50 minutes you’re in trouble, especially with Gardner coaching them through it and penalising Ireland at every opportunity.

                          Not a complete disaster but puts things in perspective.
                          Totally agree

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                            Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post
                            Game plan was working well in first 20 or so with Carty pulling the strings and pinning Japan back in their own half. We were still going well in the second quarter but a couple of errors (lost lineout and scrum) cost us good field position and possession and let Japan back in with two penalties when we should have been stretching our lead.

                            Key thing with Japan is the pace they can play at in those conditions for 80 minutes, with the crowd behind them too. If you don’t put them away in the first 40-50 minutes you’re in trouble, especially with Gardner coaching them through it and penalising Ireland at every opportunity.

                            Not a complete disaster but puts things in perspective.
                            A game plan that works for 20 minutes is useless unless you have a Plan B to switch to as soon as Plan A stops working. Unfortunately we do not seem to have one.

                            We cannot blame this loss on the referee. We were shocking.

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                              Originally posted by B.A. View Post

                              Biggest issue for us now is we have to put out a full strength team against Samoa.
                              no this is exactly what we shouldn't do. We need to back our squad....6 day turnaround and we flog our starters to death. 37 year old Best should not have started today. Healy should not have started. Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference but we margins in these games are small

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                                Backrow apart from vdf were very poor and that's a real concern.
                                no sob, leavy (huge loss ) tod ,and now conan gone from tournament . Murphy will prob get call up but we are down to bare bones as pom and cj looks very much off the pace as in fairness did the whole team.
                                hard to understand also rory best in the team from the off today ,hes 37 and played a full 80 last day ,surely it was a chance for scannell or Cronin to start.
                                baffling gameplan and game management from us we never adapted, im no rugby analyst but a good junior club wouldn't have much trouble countering our game .
                                very few if any positives from an Irish perspective, congrats to Japan, a refreshing and wonderful victory for them which hurts like hell.

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