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    #61
    Originally posted by Cathalsmart View Post

    It was in my hole a B team, it was an A- team. If it was their "B" team than how is that relevant to how their A team will do in Japan? Building nicely...Its been ONE game...LONG way to go yet.
    Read the full comment before triggering yourself. 'Building nicely' was in reference to over the last year or so.
    Eng started a number of players who wouldn't normally be considered 1st 15. A similar approach to Ire at the weekend.
    If the fringe players perform as good as the starters, that usually means (relative like for like) strength in depth isn't going to be an issue.

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      #62
      Originally posted by kahalui View Post

      Read the full comment before triggering yourself. 'Building nicely' was in reference to over the last year or so.
      Eng started a number of players who wouldn't normally be considered 1st 15. A similar approach to Ire at the weekend.
      If the fringe players perform as good as the starters, that usually means (relative like for like) strength in depth isn't going to be an issue.

      Its gas, poor lad telling everyone to stop using cliches because they think Eng and SA are going well currently, and then 5 posts later lectures us on how SA are to be feared. Dont let a discussion get in the way of an over reaction anyway.

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        #63
        Originally posted by lawrence View Post


        Just so you dont sound like a complete eejit talking to people in future, when you have an A team and drop over half of them, its knows as a B team.

        If it was all power and pick and go's then the 13 line breaks and 31 defenders beaten stats must be wrong. You seem to think that people are putting a lot of stock in that game, when they are not, but its a slight indication of where England are and its a good place for them to be.
        Resorting to name calling, nice one. Dropping half you're A team does not make it a B team, dropping you're ENTIRE A team makes it a B team. An A team features the majority of the starting 15 and a B team feature little to none of the starting 15 so the in between (which England were on Sunday) is A-. That's ye are doing, win 1 warm up match and England are looking strong, the same hype train was built up in 2015 just because it was England when if any other team had the same issues we would be extremely critical of them and would not have them as a RWC contender. And a lot of that was in close quarters, they created about as much chances from open play as Wales did but those stats you are using are useless when you put them into context.

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          #64
          Originally posted by kahalui View Post

          Read the full comment before triggering yourself. 'Building nicely' was in reference to over the last year or so.
          Eng started a number of players who wouldn't normally be considered 1st 15. A similar approach to Ire at the weekend.
          If the fringe players perform as good as the starters, that usually means (relative like for like) strength in depth isn't going to be an issue.
          The Ireland team at the weekend was a complete B team, only Toner & Ringrose would play if Ireland played a test match tomorrow where's England had about half their starting XV out on the field, completely different situations. Depth is useless if you dont know you're best XV which England dont appear to which is very concerning and like I said previously out of the B team players how many really put their hand up for selection next week? 1 maybe 2 (Hainz & Cowan-Dickie) and if we were to compare with Ireland we had more who made a case Ruddock,Farrell,Conway if he didnt get injured Carbery. Sometimes the result doesnt tell the whole tale.

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            #65
            Originally posted by lawrence View Post


            Its gas, poor lad telling everyone to stop using cliches because they think Eng and SA are going well currently, and then 5 posts later lectures us on how SA are to be feared. Dont let a discussion get in the way of an over reaction anyway.
            SA are going well, didnt they win the RC at the weekend? The post was mostly towards England.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Cathalsmart View Post

              The Ireland team at the weekend was a complete B team, only Toner & Ringrose would play if Ireland played a test match tomorrow where's England had about half their starting XV out on the field, completely different situations. Depth is useless if you dont know you're best XV which England dont appear to which is very concerning and like I said previously out of the B team players how many really put their hand up for selection next week? 1 maybe 2 (Hainz & Cowan-Dickie) and if we were to compare with Ireland we had more who made a case Ruddock,Farrell,Conway if he didnt get injured Carbery. Sometimes the result doesnt tell the whole tale.
              I used inverted commas on purpose. Rightly or wrongly, the term b team is used in rugby (and other sports) when a lot of key players aren't starting, which was the case with England on Saturday. Your definition- two or less 1st 15 players makes it a b team, is just that, your definition.

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                #67
                Originally posted by lawrence View Post



                That wasn't near an A team. Mako, Itoje, Kruis, Care, Farrell, Slade, Nowell would all start, and in less than a hour some of those players who started will find out that they are not travelling.
                Nowell is probably the least likely back three player to start. Care is out of the squad which was obviously coming as he wasn't even on the bench yesterday.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Cathalsmart View Post

                  Resorting to name calling, nice one. Dropping half you're A team does not make it a B team, dropping you're ENTIRE A team makes it a B team. An A team features the majority of the starting 15 and a B team feature little to none of the starting 15 so the in between (which England were on Sunday) is A-. That's ye are doing, win 1 warm up match and England are looking strong, the same hype train was built up in 2015 just because it was England when if any other team had the same issues we would be extremely critical of them and would not have them as a RWC contender. And a lot of that was in close quarters, they created about as much chances from open play as Wales did but those stats you are using are useless when you put them into context.


                  Originally posted by Cathalsmart View Post

                  The Ireland team at the weekend was a complete B team, only Toner & Ringrose would play if Ireland played a test match tomorrow where's England had about half their starting XV out on the field, completely different situations. Depth is useless if you dont know you're best XV which England dont appear to which is very concerning and like I said previously out of the B team players how many really put their hand up for selection next week? 1 maybe 2 (Hainz & Cowan-Dickie) and if we were to compare with Ireland we had more who made a case Ruddock,Farrell,Conway if he didnt get injured Carbery. Sometimes the result doesnt tell the whole tale.


                  Take your time, read it a few times and you will see what happened there.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Cathalsmart View Post

                    SA are going well, didnt they win the RC at the weekend? The post was mostly towards England.
                    So you are allowed to say that SA are going well, but when someone else does they are using Cliches, and then they are just plain wrong when they say England have been going well for the last year - the England team that have been going well for the last year.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Mr Snrub View Post

                      Nowell is probably the least likely back three player to start. Care is out of the squad which was obviously coming as he wasn't even on the bench yesterday.
                      My bad - Ben youngs. They also didn't have Johnny May Top try scorer in the 6N this year.

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                        #71
                        Cathal, when does a b team become an a team, what's the magic number? Just so we know for future reference.

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                          #72
                          Englerland Squad - Rugby is coming home.
                          Ben Teo out, Squad in full

                          England Rugby World Cup squad announcement
                          Forwards: Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 86 caps) **

                          Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)

                          Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 11 caps)

                          Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 10 caps)

                          Jamie George (Saracens, 37 caps) *

                          Maro Itoje (Saracens, 27 caps)

                          George Kruis (Saracens, 32 caps) *

                          Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 59 caps) *

                          Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 72 caps) **

                          Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 1 cap)

                          Joe Marler (Harlequins, 58 caps) *

                          Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 22 caps)

                          Jack Singleton (Saracens, 1 cap)

                          Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 9 caps)

                          Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 42 caps) *

                          Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 53 caps) *

                          Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons / Sale Sharks, 13 caps)

                          Backs: Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby, 5 caps)

                          Elliot Daly (Saracens, 31 caps)

                          Owen Farrell (Saracens, 70 caps) *

                          George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 56 caps) *

                          Piers Francis (Northampton Saints, 5 caps)

                          Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby, 1 cap)

                          Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 41 caps) *

                          Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 45 caps) *

                          Ruaridh McConnochie (Bath Rugby, uncapped)

                          Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 33 caps) *

                          Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 22 caps) *

                          Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 33 caps) *

                          Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 34 caps) *

                          Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 86 caps) **

                          * number of Rugby World Cup tournaments played

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by kahalui View Post
                            Cathal, when does a b team become an a team, what's the magic number? Just so we know for future reference.
                            When it suits obvzzzzzz

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                              #74
                              No interest in the semantics of what constitutes a B team but I think the only person who started yesterday who's been cut was Charlie Ewels (because they're absolutely stacked at Lock) They're pretty much all in the mix and it wasn't as under strength a team as some have been suggesting.

                              Still a knock for Wales though who haven't got many stronger players to put out.
                              Last edited by Mr Snrub; 12th-August-2019, 13:12.

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                                #75
                                Three lads with only a single cap in the England RWC squad. Eddie is a bit of a lunatic but he's not afraid to make big calls.

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