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    Folau sacked

    The boul' Izzy won't be playing for Australia again.
    Tis but a scratch.

    #2
    Gatland is the big winner in all this.

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      #3
      Christian my ARSE. He was a filthy player. Twice tipping POM upside down v the Lions taking a high ball. Could've killed him. The 2nd one in particular, only getting a yellow card after the TMO held a gun to the ref's head...........Folau never had a chance of getting the ball but tugged on POM's upper body as he caught the ball high - send him head first into the ground. He.........knew......exactly......what.......he... ............was.......doing.

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        #4
        Good luck Rugby Australia.... this is going to be costly, no matter what the decision....


        Israel Folau launched legal proceedings against Rugby Australia over the termination of his contract on Thursday, casting the action as the pursuit of his "right to religious freedom".

        Folau, a fundamentalist Christian, was sacked by Rugby Australia and his Super Rugby club New South Wales Waratahs last month for a post on social media that said hell awaited "drunks, homosexuals, adulterers" and other groups.

        The 30-year-old former Wallabies fullback said he would seek a declaration from Australia's Fair Work Commission, an industrial relations tribunal, that his employment was terminated because of his religion.

        "No Australian of any faith should be fired for practising their religion," he said in a statement that confirmed his case had been lodged.

        "Ours is an amazing country built on important principles, including freedom of religion.

        "A nation made up of so many different faiths and cultural backgrounds will never be truly rich unless this freedom applies to all of us."

        Rugby Australia and New South Wales Rugby later released a joint statement defending their decision.

        "It is important to make clear that (we) did not choose to be in a position where (we) are forced to divert significant resources to defend the ongoing legal action taken by Israel, but his action leaves the game with no choice," it read.

        "This is an issue of an employee and his obligations to his employers within the contract that he signed.

        "He was bound by a Code of Conduct for all professional players in Australia that spells out clear guidelines and obligations regarding player behaviour, including respectful use of social media."

        Folau confirmed this week that he had engaged commercial law firm Macpherson Kelley and a prominent industrial relations barrister to act for him in his dispute.

        He was found guilty of a "high level" breach of Rugby Australia's code of conduct by a three-member tribunal after a prolonged hearing last month.

        His four-year contract, worth up to A$5m (€3.10m) according to local media reports, was torn up but he waived his right to an appeal, saying he had "no confidence" in Rugby Australia's judicial process.

        His statement on Thursday said his termination had prevented him from playing at the "peak of his career" and on the cusp of a Rugby World Cup, which could have generated greater exposure and opportunities.

        "Accordingly, Mr Folau is seeking substantial remedies from his former employers should they be found to have breached the Fair Work Act in terminating his employment," it said.

        A dual code international, Folau switched to rugby union in 2013 and scored 37 tries in 73 tests, while claiming the John Eales medal as the country's best player a record three times.

        Local media have reported that he is seeking a return to the 13-man code in Australia's National Rugby League but the sport's boss Peter Beattie said he would not sanction his return.
        Israel Folau has launched legal proceedings against Rugby Australia over the termination of his contract, casting the action as the pursuit of his "right to religious freedom".
        He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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          #5
          Folau certain to lose that case.

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            #6
            He's at it again. Only this time he includes transgender children.

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              #7
              He's such a typical ****ing evangelical. "Serving Jesus" by ranting at anyone you vaguely disapprove of. A load of Protestant ****.

              "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

              "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


              "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                #8
                Folau put a fundraiser up on GoFundMe with a goal of reaching 3 million AUS$ to fight his legal battle with the ARU. GoFundMe have since taken it down for violating terms of service which state it can take down funds that are “for the legal defence of alleged crimes associated with hate, violence, harassment, bullying, discrimination, terrorism or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity or serious disabilities or diseases”. The $750,000 donated to that point were refunded to the donors.

                God sure is working in mysterious ways, hai Izzy boy. Better luck next time ya weirdo.

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                  #9
                  That’s a pity, would have been nice to have a court adjudicating that he’s at fault.


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                    #10
                    Go on Drew Mitchell!
                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...-drew-mitchell

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                      #11
                      Completely agree with Mitchell. Sadly though, the same sort of corporatised religion that supported the Ashers in the "gay cake" case here is now rowing in behind Folau.
                      Tis but a scratch.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by mr chips View Post
                        Completely agree with Mitchell. Sadly though, the same sort of corporatised religion that supported the Ashers in the "gay cake" case here is now rowing in behind Folau.

                        Apparently he's worth about 7.5 million AUD.
                        Australian Charity Comission receiving complaints about his latest efforts.

                        https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ts-to-watchdog

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by mr chips View Post
                          Completely agree with Mitchell. Sadly though, the same sort of corporatised religion that supported the Ashers in the "gay cake" case here is now rowing in behind Folau.
                          Indeed. There are always difficulties when different sets of rights clash. Many of us value the rights to freely practise a religion, and freely speak our views. But we also value the right to equality. Similarly when we debate the right to life and a woman's right to bodily autonomy and a medical practitioner's right to freedom of conscience. There is no one single hierarchy of rights that everyone can agree upon (although at times society may assume that there is and legislate accordingly) hence various protagonists may genuinely believe their particular right ranks higher. It doesn't automatically make them "bad" people.

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                            #14
                            With Israel Folau the church demands a kind of free speech that keeps gays in the firing line


                            Pity these Christians. They’re lashing out, angry and terrified. Miranda Devine is warning them via the pages of the Sydney Daily Telegraph Australia faces a revolution of “coercion and bloodshed” à la Mexico in the 1920s unless we rally to the cause of Christianity and Israel Folau.

                            The madness is dialled up to the max. But I’ve been reporting faith and politics in Australia for nearly 40 years and I’ve seen all this before: militant Christians all over the shop, blind to their arrogance and contradictions.

                            Rigid ideologues, they sing great anthems to free speech. Warriors of discrimination, they condemn discrimination against Folau. No matter how cruel the doctrines they are pushing they see them washed clean as articles of faith.

                            The fact is, condemning gays to hell is vilification. Yes, St Paul was on the case way back at the start but that only makes it vilification with a pedigree.

                            While Folau isn’t calling for men like me to be stoned, whipped or pushed off high buildings, I reckon he is free to preach his horriblebeliefs. But his freedom shouldn’t trample my freedom or the freedom of anyone else.

                            We are free to say he’s a dork to carry on like this about gays and drunks and idolaters. (That means Catholics, by the way.) And Land Rover is free to stop him promoting their luxury cars. And GoFundMe is free not to be the platform where he raises millions to fight Rugby Australia.

                            But to Folau’s Christian backers this notion of freedoms we all share doesn’t make sense. Why? Because for them putting the boot into gays is basic Christianity. This is hard for the rest of us to credit in 21st century Australia, but to make sense of the current uproar it needs to be faced.

                            These Christians – by no means all Christians – are willing to burn up huge amounts of political capital to keep and, if possible extend, their power to punish homosexuals. It’s a weird pivot of their faith.

                            This is not all they want the Morrison government to shore up with legislation, but it’s at the core of their demands. They are shy of saying it in so many words, of course, hence all the malarkey we’ve been hearing from them for the last couple of years about freedom.

                            Here’s a simple principle: being decent and kind requires no legislation. You only need a religious freedom act to shelter behind when you plan to be nasty – say to age-old targets of your wrath like gays.

                            So where does that leave Rugby Australia?

                            One of those attacking the code this week was Sydney’s Anglican archbishop, Glenn Davies, who eloquently defended Folau’s “right as a citizen to speak of what he believes without threat to his employment”.

                            Really? Is this the same archbishop who compelled 34 Anglican headmasters and headmistresses last year to sign an open letter demanding the law continue to allow them to sack gay teachers and expel gay students?

                            I asked His Grace if this same citizens’ right extended to teachers in Anglican schools? No was the answer that came back from his spokesman, Russell Powell. “This case of non faith-related employment should not be conflated with others.”

                            How silly of me! There’s one rule for them and another for the rest of us. Folau is free as a footballer to vilify homosexuals without losing his job but were he coaching rugby at a Sydney Anglican school and tweeting approval of gays it might well see him shown the door.

                            Here’s another simple principle: if you are demanding rights for yourself which you won’t extend to others, that’s not freedom. It’s privilege.

                            We’re in the midst of this pandemonium because Folau changed his mind. For a million bucks a year, he agreed to go easy on denouncing, among other vices, the evils of homosexuality. He traded his freedom of speech.

                            So why say yes in the first place if that’s such a profound violation of his rights and his faith? And why does he expect more millions from Rugby Australia because he’s copped the ordinary consequences of going back on his word?

                            Beneath this is the deeper question on which the debate is now focusing, the question Folau plans to pursue through the courts: whether Rugby Australia had the right (that word again) to ask him in the first place to tone his preaching down.

                            Rugby Australia reckons hounding fags is not a good look in this day and age. Hence the deal they struck with their star. Many Australians – including airlines, fundraising websites and luxury car dealers – agree wholeheartedly. But not a formidable number of angry Christian dissenters.

                            So what are they fighting for? Free speech, but free speech of a particular kind that keeps gays in the firing line. As Australia succumbs to secular values on marriage and sex and family, that’s getting harder and the Christian mission more urgent.

                            So his target is everything. If Folau were insisting on vilifying, say, Jews and the disabled, would anyone object to Rugby Australia insisting he shut up about it?
                            Tis but a scratch.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post
                              Christian my ARSE. He was a filthy player. Twice tipping POM upside down v the Lions taking a high ball. Could've killed him. The 2nd one in particular, only getting a yellow card after the TMO held a gun to the ref's head...........Folau never had a chance of getting the ball but tugged on POM's upper body as he caught the ball high - send him head first into the ground. He.........knew......exactly......what.......he... ............was.......doing.
                              Agree with the sentiments but as a point of order it was Australia v Ireland last summer.

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