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    Originally posted by redherring View Post

    Did he make a similar point in 2017 when Aki first got capped keeping any number of Irish born centres out of the team?
    https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby...-36263365.html

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      Ok he's sticking with his opinion which is fair. As far as I'm concerned it may as well just be parked now and let them get on with it and hopefully Kleyn has a good WC. From next year on it 5 years.
      He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is.

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        Luke did nothing of note in his playing career, he is doing less now.
        Last edited by lawrence; 5th-September-2019, 12:51.

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          Originally posted by lawrence View Post
          Luke did nothing of note in his playing career, he is doing less now.
          Poor old Lukie - nobody takes him seriously. He just opens his mouth and turns it on before engaging the brain. He is about as good a commentator/pundit as he was a player - 4 tries in 34 games for Ireland (Stockdale is currently on 16/21; Earls 30/77)

          Erse end of nowhere

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            Originally posted by Spiffy View Post
            Poor old Lukie - nobody takes him seriously. He just opens his mouth and turns it on before engaging the brain. He is about as good a commentator/pundit as he was a player - 4 tries in 34 games for Ireland (Stockdale is currently on 16/21; Earls 30/77)
            Yeah but Earls only scores against the small teams. It's pure bad luck on Luke's part that he only played 34 games against the all blacks.

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              Why the need for personal abuse lads?

              Are your lives that empty?

              Luke Fitzgerald was a very fine rugby player who gave his all playing for Ireland. Pretending he was not is laughable.

              He could have been a really top end player but injuries went against him.

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                  Well it was certainly a surprise, but more so because of Joe’s decade long commitment to him, but ‘beggars belief’? There are many good reasons for JK being selected, and it’s really tough on the guy to have people sounding off about why someone else should be there instead. I have yet to read any Connacht pundit complain about Marmion’s exclusion, or former ulster player criticise Joe for leaving Addison out. Form may be temporary and class permanent- but only on the field it would seem.

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                    Originally posted by Rabb1tts Jump View Post
                    Why the need for personal abuse lads?

                    Are your lives that empty?

                    Luke Fitzgerald was a very fine rugby player who gave his all playing for Ireland. Pretending he was not is laughable.

                    He could have been a really top end player but injuries went against him.
                    It’s just a joke, but ok.... He could be a great commentator as well, but whenever he opens his mouth dumbness flows.

                    He has a problem with the residency rules, fair enough a lot of people do, but he’s not speaking about it impartially he’s using the small platform he has to attack JK getting selected at the expense of his friend, his issue should be about the rule not the player, by making it personal to a player that has earned his position on the squad he has made himself look like a disgruntled little xenophobe. Don’t hate the players hate the game and all that.

                    Not once has he acknowledged that the rule has already been changed and JK qualifies under the old rule. He doesn’t acknowledge that Ireland are bringing a very small number of “imports” compared to other countries (3 out of 31) - japan have more foreign born plays than not.

                    If he had some class he could acknowledge that the rule is already different but is just pissed off because his friend, who is playing ****e, didn’t get picked.
                    Last edited by lawrence; 5th-September-2019, 16:31.

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                      Far more thoughtful analysis from his former midfield partner in the IT on Tuesday. But BOD always had a sense of entitlement to the jersey so no surprise.
                      Last edited by The Last Stand; 5th-September-2019, 17:33.

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                        Originally posted by lawrence View Post

                        It’s just a joke, but ok.... He could be a great commentator as well, but whenever he opens his mouth dumbness flows.

                        He has a problem with the residency rules, fair enough a lot of people do, but he’s not speaking about it impartially he’s using the small platform he has to attack JK getting selected at the expense of his friend, his issue should be about the rule not the player, by making it personal to a player that has earned his position on the squad he has made himself look like a disgruntled little xenophobe. Don’t hate the players hate the game and all that.

                        Not once has he acknowledged that the rule has already been changed and JK qualifies under the old rule. He doesn’t acknowledge that Ireland are bringing a very small number of “imports” compared to other countries (3 out of 31) - japan have more foreign born plays than not.

                        If he had some class he could acknowledge that the rule is already different but is just pissed off because his friend, who is playing ****e, didn’t get picked.
                        The argument that he is only saying this because of his mate doesn’t actually stack up.

                        he has been highlighting this issue for at least two years now and highlighted it when Dillane lost out in favour of Kleyn.

                        He may be a poor commentator ( he seems no better or worse than most to me) but the need to attack him personally and impute a negative motive is bizarre.

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                          Originally posted by Rabb1tts Jump View Post

                          The argument that he is only saying this because of his mate doesn’t actually stack up.

                          he has been highlighting this issue for at least two years now and highlighted it when Dillane lost out in favour of Kleyn.

                          He may be a poor commentator ( he seems no better or worse than most to me) but the need to attack him personally and impute a negative motive is bizarre.
                          He is only saying this because of his mate in this instance, granted he has raised this issue previously but he’s not talking about the level of players in other squads which is much higher in other instances and he gives no credit to the fact that the rules have been changed.

                          He has personalised it to one player which is a cheap shot, because it’s much bigger than one player, a player who has done nothing but abide by the rules and put a huge amount of effort into the Munster Jersey and earned his place.

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                            Originally posted by Rabb1tts Jump View Post
                            Why the need for personal abuse lads?

                            Are your lives that empty?

                            Luke Fitzgerald was a very fine rugby player who gave his all playing for Ireland. Pretending he was not is laughable.

                            He could have been a really top end player but injuries went against him.
                            if you look at the real performances and not the hype, Fitzgerald was actually not a very fine rugby player. He was a bloke who could play very well on occasion but had no consistencey and was usually pretty average. He was unlucky with injuries but still amassed 34 caps. He did score a very fine try against Argentina in the RWC, but I am struggling to remember any other great moments. I am truly sorry the guy had to retire form rugby, especially since he actually did seem to be improving towards the end of his career.

                            I would not call the comments on this board personal abuse, just the natural reaction by some to a commentator who is extremely self opinionated, a bit of a nonsense-spouting motormouth who switches to auto-pilot, rarely gives a truly well-considered opinion, and not that good at his job. I don't think a lot of Quinnie's and Shaggy's pronouncements either, to be honest, but they don'y quite assault the listener with the same stultifying torrent of verbiage.

                            Let the flaming commence!
                            Erse end of nowhere

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                              He played every game on probably the greatest Irish team, the 2009 Grand Slam team at the age of 22 or 23. He was by any definition a fine rugby player.

                              I get it that he played for Leinster, went to Blackrock and speaks with a particular accent. But to deny his quality as a rugby player is bizarre, and not to acknowledge the impact of injuries on his career is even further nonsense. He’s still only 32 or so.

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                                Let’s not forget either that his bitterness stems from not being selected to start because Payne was ahead of him in 2015, a player he felt wasn’t sufficiently better than him, possibly the root of his nonsensical opinions.

                                And just for clarity, Luke is a Wicklowman.

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