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    Originally posted by Chrizzzie View Post
    Next week's battle between CJ and Conan is also important for whom will start at RWC. Right now I'd give Conan the edge but think CJ could be an important impact sub.
    Thought Conan struggled to make an impact yesterday, as he usually does against the biggest teams. Both players ESPN stats against Sarries:

    CJ: 13 carries for 22m, 20 tackles and 1 missed.
    JC: 18 carries for 23m, 23 tackles and 1 missed.

    But most would agree Stander has not been at his best of late. He looks knackered.

    A fit and firing CJ (which I hope he will be after the summer) is a level above IMHO. Doubt there’s really any question of who’ll be first choice 8 in Japan, regardless of what happens at the weekend.

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      Those stats are really close. Makes next week even more interesting.

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        Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post

        They have a remarkable group of players who are at their peak. That same group of players may well deliver a World Cup for England.

        Question is how long can they sustain this peak and is there a pipeline behind?
        If they get heavily penalised for breaking the salary cap (and there are suggestions that they will be), not much longer.

        If not, it will all depend on their backers’ interest in continuing to fund or to exit. Doesn’t matter if their players are home grown or not if they can’t pay their wages.

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          Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

          If they get heavily penalised for breaking the salary cap (and there are suggestions that they will be), not much longer.

          If not, it will all depend on their backers’ interest in continuing to fund or to exit. Doesn’t matter if their players are home grown or not if they can’t pay their wages.
          Who would penalise them? Premiership? Isn't a strong Saracens in their favourite? RFU? Have they anything they say about the premiership?

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            Originally posted by lawrence View Post

            Maro should have been sent off for Maitlands hit?


            I presume this falls into the category of not complaining about refs?
            No Itoje had to be sent off much much sooner as he charged Johnny Sexton with the elbow in the face. THIS deserves a YC, but he already had one, so Garces and his mates, especially theTMO, ****ted themselves. Not sure the Duracens pack without Itoje would have the same abrasive impact on the game.
            Add to this two charges by Skelton in rucks, with the shoulder, the arm along the corps who deserved YC, the first one exctly has Itoje got his YC for infrigement.
            If a high tackle at the throat,(Maitland), in the air, stays unpunished, that means that refs are anywhere accomplice of such gestures.
            In the 6N game, I found the Orcs followed a stranged and assumed way to play where violence has a part physical domination alone cannot explain and justify; They played as if they went to war, and they so soon as possible trampled and destroyed the irish resistance Same imageand feeling yesterday Don't forget, 5 players of the english pack are Durries Not a coincindence.
            If soon, the refs don't change their mind an still refuse to punish dangerous gestures as they have to do, if they still refuse to ref the rucks as they have to do, one heavy accident will happen, but no more in the lower leagues or in the youth leagues asit happened shortly in France, but full in the spotlights of a top competition. and they will empty the academies for the luck of other sports, at least here in France. And they will be collectively coresponsible of it.
            "To be energetic and self-sufficing is to be happy; but while one desire remains in the heart happiness may not come there. For to desire is to be incomplete: it is the badge of dependence, the signal of unhappiness, and to be freed from that is to be freed from every fetter that can possibly be forged." (James Stephens, Deirdre)

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              Originally posted by Chrizzzie View Post

              For me it's important to know to understand how long they can continue this.

              Not a sustainable model in the very long run,unless the RFU pump even more money into the clubs.
              Unlikely to happen as they have their own money problems.
              I think a Leeds Utd scenario is one possible outcome,living the dream today until the money has to be paid back.

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                Originally posted by JN.Allezdax.com View Post

                No Itoje had to be sent off much much sooner as he charged Johnny Sexton with the elbow in the face. THIS deserves a YC, but he already had one, so Garces and his mates, especially theTMO, ****ted themselves. Not sure the Duracens pack without Itoje would have the same abrasive impact on the game.
                Add to this two charges by Skelton in rucks, with the shoulder, the arm along the corps who deserved YC, the first one exctly has Itoje got his YC for infrigement.
                If a high tackle at the throat,(Maitland), in the air, stays unpunished, that means that refs are anywhere accomplice of such gestures.
                In the 6N game, I found the Orcs followed a stranged and assumed way to play where violence has a part physical domination alone cannot explain and justify; They played as if they went to war, and they so soon as possible trampled and destroyed the irish resistance Same imageand feeling yesterday Don't forget, 5 players of the english pack are Durries Not a coincindence.
                If soon, the refs don't change their mind an still refuse to punish dangerous gestures as they have to do, if they still refuse to ref the rucks as they have to do, one heavy accident will happen, but no more in the lower leagues or in the youth leagues asit happened shortly in France, but full in the spotlights of a top competition. and they will empty the academies for the luck of other sports, at least here in France. And they will be collectively coresponsible of it.
                Ive said it before.......ball carriers in tight spaces carry with their arm across their chest protecting the ball. If a tackler merely stands up straight he is likely to get that arm in the face withou any striking motion. To avoid that contact tackle low..... its tacklers choice.
                Anybody who sees a psychiatrist would want their head examined.*&nb sp;Henry Ford

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                  I understand what you mean, the limit is thin. But when the ball carrier raises his elbow as it was the case, you're not exactly in a geture of protection but more in in a gesture of attack. That's where the ref has to take his responsablilities from the point he has to protect the physical integrity of the defender.
                  "To be energetic and self-sufficing is to be happy; but while one desire remains in the heart happiness may not come there. For to desire is to be incomplete: it is the badge of dependence, the signal of unhappiness, and to be freed from that is to be freed from every fetter that can possibly be forged." (James Stephens, Deirdre)

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                    Originally posted by JN.Allezdax.com View Post

                    No Itoje had to be sent off much much sooner as he charged Johnny Sexton with the elbow in the face. THIS deserves a YC, but he already had one, so Garces and his mates, especially theTMO, ****ted themselves. Not sure the Duracens pack without Itoje would have the same abrasive impact on the game.
                    Add to this two charges by Skelton in rucks, with the shoulder, the arm along the corps who deserved YC, the first one exctly has Itoje got his YC for infrigement.
                    If a high tackle at the throat,(Maitland), in the air, stays unpunished, that means that refs are anywhere accomplice of such gestures.
                    In the 6N game, I found the Orcs followed a stranged and assumed way to play where violence has a part physical domination alone cannot explain and justify; They played as if they went to war, and they so soon as possible trampled and destroyed the irish resistance Same imageand feeling yesterday Don't forget, 5 players of the english pack are Durries Not a coincindence.
                    If soon, the refs don't change their mind an still refuse to punish dangerous gestures as they have to do, if they still refuse to ref the rucks as they have to do, one heavy accident will happen, but no more in the lower leagues or in the youth leagues asit happened shortly in France, but full in the spotlights of a top competition. and they will empty the academies for the luck of other sports, at least here in France. And they will be collectively coresponsible of it.
                    Maitland did got punished but getting a penalty. IMHO this was not a yellow.

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                      Originally posted by Chrizzzie View Post

                      Who would penalise them? Premiership? Isn't a strong Saracens in their favourite? RFU? Have they anything they say about the premiership?
                      Premiership Rugby are currently investigating them for allegedly hiding payments to players under the guise of “co-investments” with Nigel Wray. If found to have breached the cap they’ll be fined and/or docked points.

                      The other clubs are pissed off because Sarries were caught before and it was swept under the rug to protect the reputation of the GP. They’re not feeling so forgiving this time.

                      If they are in breach, presumably they’ll also have to cut a few players/salaries to lower their wage bill. Could weaken their squad.

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                        Originally posted by cornerboy View Post

                        Ive said it before.......ball carriers in tight spaces carry with their arm across their chest protecting the ball. If a tackler merely stands up straight he is likely to get that arm in the face withou any striking motion. To avoid that contact tackle low..... its tacklers choice.
                        It’s a fine line but leading with the forearm or elbow isn’t legal AFAIK.

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                          Originally posted by Munsterboy View Post

                          Premiership Rugby are currently investigating them for allegedly hiding payments to players under the guise of “co-investments” with Nigel Wray. If found to have breached the cap they’ll be fined and/or docked points.

                          The other clubs are pissed off because Sarries were caught before and it was swept under the rug to protect the reputation of the GP. They’re not feeling so forgiving this time.

                          If they are in breach, presumably they’ll also have to cut a few players/salaries to lower their wage bill. Could weaken their squad.
                          I believe the other clubs have changed their approach. If you can't beat them, join them. They're doing the same now. Therefore I do not expect any actions against Saracens.

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                            Originally posted by Chrizzzie View Post

                            I believe the other clubs have changed their approach. If you can't beat them, join them. They're doing the same now. Therefore I do not expect any actions against Saracens.
                            Just Google it. It’s a current ongoing investigation announced in April. Most other clubs can’t “join them” because they don’t have Nigel Wray, hence the annoyance. If they could all afford it, they’d just raise the cap.

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                              Originally posted by JN.Allezdax.com View Post

                              No Itoje had to be sent off much much sooner as he charged Johnny Sexton with the elbow in the face. THIS deserves a YC, but he already had one, so Garces and his mates, especially theTMO, ****ted themselves. Not sure the Duracens pack without Itoje would have the same abrasive impact on the game.
                              Add to this two charges by Skelton in rucks, with the shoulder, the arm along the corps who deserved YC, the first one exctly has Itoje got his YC for infrigement.
                              If a high tackle at the throat,(Maitland), in the air, stays unpunished, that means that refs are anywhere accomplice of such gestures.
                              In the 6N game, I found the Orcs followed a stranged and assumed way to play where violence has a part physical domination alone cannot explain and justify; They played as if they went to war, and they so soon as possible trampled and destroyed the irish resistance Same imageand feeling yesterday Don't forget, 5 players of the english pack are Durries Not a coincindence.
                              If soon, the refs don't change their mind an still refuse to punish dangerous gestures as they have to do, if they still refuse to ref the rucks as they have to do, one heavy accident will happen, but no more in the lower leagues or in the youth leagues asit happened shortly in France, but full in the spotlights of a top competition. and they will empty the academies for the luck of other sports, at least here in France. And they will be collectively coresponsible of it.

                              And that’s way leinster play the game as well they look to make hits that cause damage, look at what furlong and Lowe did against Munster recently, it’s just in this game Sarries gave as good as they got and then some.

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                                Saracens remind me of the Munster of old, simply stronger than the opposition and execute their game plan of using their strength very well.

                                Really enjoyable game/occasion and great venue and surrounding area.
                                ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

                                Originally Posted by mr chips
                                AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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