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    #46
    That article is about soccer ffs. What's it got to go with rugby. Also Ormond lad thinks the Pro 12 has improved, it has in its bollix. Most of the star players are gone and the unions undermine it at every turn.
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    When all the people do all day
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      #47
      Originally posted by sewa View Post
      That article is about soccer ffs. What's it got to go with rugby. Also Ormond lad thinks the Pro 12 has improved, it has in its bollix. Most of the star players are gone and the unions undermine it at every turn.
      calm down dear

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        #48
        The only reason the PRL have such a good tv deal is because they delivered European rugby to BT Sports. We have never been given A breakdown on the value to them of the PRL deal - just that there is an element of European rugby in it. Most the English clubs couldn't give a monkeys about European rugby - they are just interested in survival and they need that tv deal for that. Similarly in France's - Toulon are the only ones who are bothered and that is probably only because European cup rugby is very attractive to SH players.

        the champs cup will fail because the tournament has been devalued. The sponsors are not lining up as predicted and bt are only using it as a cheap chance of weakening Sky Sports.

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          #49
          Originally posted by jeepers View Post
          The only reason the PRL have such a good tv deal is because they delivered European rugby to BT Sports. We have never been given A breakdown on the value to them of the PRL deal - just that there is an element of European rugby in it. Most the English clubs couldn't give a monkeys about European rugby - they are just interested in survival and they need that tv deal for that. Similarly in France's - Toulon are the only ones who are bothered and that is probably only because European cup rugby is very attractive to SH players.

          the champs cup will fail because the tournament has been devalued. The sponsors are not lining up as predicted and bt are only using it as a cheap chance of weakening Sky Sports.
          It won't fail, but it will never be allowed to make too much money because the priority for PRL and LNR are their deals for their respective leagues. The disgraceful aspect of PRL's dealings is that the money they received from BT for delivering European rugby should, by rights, have gone into the European rugby pot and been shared among all three leagues.

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            #50
            Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
            When French and English teams are full of players from all the other unions( Madigan just gone now on top of Butler, JJ, POC etc)the clubs will turn around and advice the Unions that they may have players on the clubs' terms. Much as is already happening with PRL fining their members who release players back for international duty. There will be nothing the Unions can do about it because they cannot pay anything like the wages the clubs can. PRL are already skirmishing over next year's Lions release which has rendered the tour a bit of a nonsense before it even starts. Now the clubs have cross border control they can do exactly as they please and the Unions have not got any leverage to do anything about it.
            How many of Madigan, Butler, JJ are first choice/were first choice in their provinces and how many are elsewhere? That PRL are fining their clubs for releasing players but wont be able to stop releases. The clubs don't have the power to do as they please with unions not able to do anything about it.

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              #51
              Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
              ...PRL fining their members who release players back for international duty.
              Not the full story - the PRL fined a club for releasing a player outside of the required international window. While I don't agree with that if both the club and player are happy to do it, the reason for the fine is that the clubs collectively (through the PRL) negotiated with the Unions the release of players for international windows and get compensated for it. Essentially they are worried about one of the clubs breaking that agreement and whether that would set a precedent - the next club could refuse to release a player for the window and point to the fact that the agreemetn had already been broken and no action taken

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                #52
                Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
                It won't fail, but it will never be allowed to make too much money because the priority for PRL and LNR are their deals for their respective leagues. The disgraceful aspect of PRL's dealings is that the money they received from BT for delivering European rugby should, by rights, have gone into the European rugby pot and been shared among all three leagues.
                I think it will fail because there will be very little incentive to win now as the meritocracy payments have been reduced. Just not worth a club's while to compete unless you get home Qfs/semis. Leinster received 150k less than Munster did the previous year for reaching an away semi final. Even though the gate is split, the attendances are fairly low outside of Ireland and Leicester,so not really worth it (which seems to be the attitude of the irfu with regard to financial support of the Provinces - it will work out cheaper in the long run as the irfu (and all other PRO12 teams) automatically get the same amount anyway.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by The Doc View Post
                  Not the full story - the PRL fined a club for releasing a player outside of the required international window. While I don't agree with that if both the club and player are happy to do it, the reason for the fine is that the clubs collectively (through the PRL) negotiated with the Unions the release of players for international windows and get compensated for it. Essentially they are worried about one of the clubs breaking that agreement and whether that would set a precedent - the next club could refuse to release a player for the window and point to the fact that the agreemetn had already been broken and no action taken
                  PRL still release England players on the same weekends, however, which disadvantages the Unions with players playing in England.

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                    #54
                    The Daily Mail article referenced in my previous post (#46) gives the figures paid by overseas countries for the rights to view premier league football. On the face of it there seems little logic to the sums paid.
                    Presumably the sums paid relate in some way to the competition in the national tv markets, interest in english football and the wealth and populations of the various countries.
                    Scandanavia pays £110 million a year to show english premier league soccer to its 26 million people while Spain with 46 million people pays just £5.7 million.

                    If my assumptions in the previous post are correct, then being treated as part of the UK means that we in the republic via our sky and bt/setanta subscriptions are paying £113 million a year of the £158 million, the island as a whole pays for english premiership football.
                    It looks very much like we're being screwed when compared to all other non-UK markets.

                    Meanwhile replacing the free to air TV3 with Sky as the GAA's secondary broadcaster netted the association an increase of just €356,000 pa. The GAA's total income from all media including RTE is just €10.5 million a year.

                    Of the massive sums paid to Sky etc every year only a derisory sum finds its way back into Irish sport.
                    Premier league football gobbles up almost everything.

                    If Ireland was treated as a Norway, we'd probably be paying at most, £20 million instead of £113 million and maybe a bit more money could then find its way into Irish sports including rugby.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
                      PRL still release England players on the same weekends, however, which disadvantages the Unions with players playing in England.
                      Source please.

                      The incident you referred to was when Northampton was fined for releasing George North to Wales on the weekend of a an Aviva Premiership schedule. Wales had scheduled a game against Australia outside the International Autumn window - obviously not a problem for the players in Wales but they called up North.

                      No other players were released for any other countries from AP clubs.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Pythagoras View Post
                        The Daily Mail article referenced in my previous post (#46) gives the figures paid by overseas countries for the rights to view premier league football. On the face of it there seems little logic to the sums paid.
                        Presumably the sums paid relate in some way to the competition in the national tv markets, interest in english football and the wealth and populations of the various countries.
                        Scandanavia pays £110 million a year to show english premier league soccer to its 26 million people while Spain with 46 million people pays just £5.7 million.

                        If my assumptions in the previous post are correct, then being treated as part of the UK means that we in the republic via our sky and bt/setanta subscriptions are paying £113 million a year of the £158 million, the island as a whole pays for english premiership football.
                        It looks very much like we're being screwed when compared to all other non-UK markets.

                        Meanwhile replacing the free to air TV3 with Sky as the GAA's secondary broadcaster netted the association an increase of just €356,000 pa. The GAA's total income from all media including RTE is just €10.5 million a year.

                        Of the massive sums paid to Sky etc every year only a derisory sum finds its way back into Irish sport.
                        Premier league football gobbles up almost everything.

                        If Ireland was treated as a Norway, we'd probably be paying at most, £20 million instead of £113 million and maybe a bit more money could then find its way into Irish sports including rugby.
                        That's unreal it would be interesting to see what percentage of your 34 Euro subscription actually goes towards all rugby coverage shown on sky, especially if you have no interest in soccer. Same with bt subscription
                        Last edited by osullik79; 31st-December-2015, 09:55.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by osullik79 View Post
                          That's unreal it would be interesting to see what percentage of your 34 Euro subscription actually goes towards all rugby coverage shown on sky, especially if you have no interest in soccer. Same with bt subscription

                          It's been estimated that Sky are paying £5 million a year to cover the pro 12 and I could be completely wrong about this but I seem to remember hearing that the combined sky/BT coverage of the CC costs £60 million a year with each contributing half.

                          They also pay a bit to cover SANZAR and the second tier in England and that's it as far as I know.

                          So I'd be surprised if sky paid more than £50 million in total annually for rugby rights.

                          They reportedly have 5 million sky sports subscribers so that's £10 each p.a., which works out at €1.13 a month per subscription.

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                            #58
                            On the other hand...
                            If you look at the Sky Sports viewer-ship figures on BARB, the numbers I've seen for premiership football do seem to be over 10 times those for CC rugby.
                            In that case paying £30 million to cover 30 pool games plus some of the knockouts doesn't compare too badly with the soccer where they're paying £10 million a game.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by The Doc View Post
                              Source please.

                              The incident you referred to was when Northampton was fined for releasing George North to Wales on the weekend of a an Aviva Premiership schedule. Wales had scheduled a game against Australia outside the International Autumn window - obviously not a problem for the players in Wales but they called up North.

                              No other players were released for any other countries from AP clubs.
                              PRL have released players to England outside of the international window.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Pythagoras View Post
                                On the other hand...
                                If you look at the Sky Sports viewer-ship figures on BARB, the numbers I've seen for premiership football do seem to be over 10 times those for CC rugby.
                                In that case paying £30 million to cover 30 pool games plus some of the knockouts doesn't compare too badly with the soccer where they're paying £10 million a game.
                                Glad I got rid of my sky sports propping up the massively overpaid soccer players wages.

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