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    Fun with figures- tv deal comparisons Pro 12, AP, Top 14

    Based on linked to newspaper reports it looks like the Pro 12 is getting £7.5 million* a year, the aviva premiership £45 million** and the Top 14 £60 million, from tv deals.

    Based on the populations of their respective catchment areas the Pro 12 is getting 50 pence per head, the AP, 85 pence and the Top 14, 91 pence.

    So the Pro 12 deal looks poor both in absolute and relative terms when compared to the others.

    * Pro 12 deal excludes Italy

    ** The current deal for the AP is an undisclosed generous increase over the previous £152 million four deal, a la Drumm I'm picking £180 million as the new figure.

    #2
    What does *Pro 12 deal excludes Italy mean ????

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      #3
      The last AP/BT deal included a significant bonus from BT for destroying the ERC and, by extension, any Union control of the European club game. If PRL were really in receipt of £45 million a year the whole world would be made aware of the fact and most of the AP sides would not be running at such a loss.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Corcíoch View Post
        What does *Pro 12 deal excludes Italy mean ????
        As I understand it, the Italians are not getting any of that money, nor are Italian broadcasters contributing to it.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Pythagoras View Post
          As I understand it, the Italians are not getting any of that money, nor are Italian broadcasters contributing to it.
          Ah, so its free to air there so??

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            #6
            Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
            The last AP/BT deal included a significant bonus from BT for destroying the ERC and, by extension, any Union control of the European club game. If PRL were really in receipt of £45 million a year the whole world would be made aware of the fact and most of the AP sides would not be running at such a loss.
            I agree but apparently they are still getting substantially more than the £152 million over four years. But yeah, why not tell us.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Corcíoch View Post
              Ah, so its free to air there so??
              No idea. BBC Wales was apparently paying quite a bit before and that' s free to air.

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                #8
                Fun with figures- tv deal comparisons Pro 12, AP, Top 14

                Originally posted by Pythagoras View Post
                I agree but apparently they are still getting substantially more than the £152 million over four years. But yeah, why not tell us.
                The £152 million was for the first four years, and was dependent on the destruction of the ERC, but the new extension of four years came into affect after two of those four years. If the AP clubs were splitting £45 million 12/14 ways I very much doubt that most of them would have such misgivings about the plan to increase the salary cap so substantially. EDIT I suspect the figure in England is around £35 million a year, so technically an increase for the AP rights because a large chunk of the £152 million, up to 50% was for the Nigels cup rights. Still a lot more than the Pro 12, but not even close to the French.
                Last edited by the plastic paddy; 17th-December-2015, 22:57.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Pythagoras View Post
                  Based on linked to newspaper reports it looks like the Pro 12 is getting £7.5 million* a year, the aviva premiership £45 million** and the Top 14 £60 million, from tv deals.

                  Based on the populations of their respective catchment areas the Pro 12 is getting 50 pence per head, the AP, 85 pence and the Top 14, 91 pence.

                  So the Pro 12 deal looks poor both in absolute and relative terms when compared to the others.

                  * Pro 12 deal excludes Italy

                  ** The current deal for the AP is an undisclosed generous increase over the previous £152 million four deal, a la Drumm I'm picking £180 million as the new figure.

                  According to the website, Running Rugby:

                  Premiership Rugby’s original four-year deal with BT Sport was worth £152 million but that included an element for the English clubs’ European television rights as well.
                  That makes it difficult to put an exact number on the value of the new four-year deal that will run until the end of the 2020/21 season but the official line is that it is a “significant increase” and also involves broadcasting up to 80 live games per season rather than 69.
                  They seem to think that the PRO12 is worth about £10 per annum.

                  Value Of Deal Length Of Deal Value Per Year Value Per Game
                  NRL £882m 2018-23 £176.4m £882,000
                  Premiership £273.6m* 2017-21 £68.4m* £855,000*
                  Top 14 £231.5m 2015-19 £57.87m £697,000
                  Super League £146.76m 2014-19 £29.35m £413,380
                  Pro12 £39.6m 2014-18 £9.9m £80,000
                  * Figure includes an element for the broadcast of European Rugby in addition to domestic matches.
                  ~ Super Rugby figures not included in the table as 2011-15 value is not comparable and 2016-20 deals are yet to be finalised and announced.

                  Worth noting according to the same website, Munster is the top performing club with regard to jersey sales in the UK & Ireland.






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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Pythagoras View Post
                    No idea. BBC Wales was apparently paying quite a bit before and that' s free to air.
                    Don't tell them on Gwlad but a proportion of the BBC rights in the Pro 12 figure are from BBC NI and Scotland/ Alba.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by jeepers View Post
                      According to the website, Running Rugby:



                      They seem to think that the PRO12 is worth about £10 per annum.

                      Value Of Deal Length Of Deal Value Per Year Value Per Game
                      NRL £882m 2018-23 £176.4m £882,000
                      Premiership £273.6m* 2017-21 £68.4m* £855,000*
                      Top 14 £231.5m 2015-19 £57.87m £697,000
                      Super League £146.76m 2014-19 £29.35m £413,380
                      Pro12 £39.6m 2014-18 £9.9m £80,000
                      * Figure includes an element for the broadcast of European Rugby in addition to domestic matches.
                      ~ Super Rugby figures not included in the table as 2011-15 value is not comparable and 2016-20 deals are yet to be finalised and announced.

                      Worth noting according to the same website, Munster is the top performing club with regard to jersey sales in the UK & Ireland.






                      Interesting figures.
                      'Value per year' divided by the number of games does not seem to work out as the quoted 'value per game', for the pro 12 or aviva at least?
                      132 games in the AP excluding playoffs same in the pro 12 or 90 if you leave out the italians. Maybe the extra 2.5 million in the pro 12 figure might be a separate deal the Italians have?
                      Last edited by Pythagoras; 17th-December-2015, 23:21.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Pythagoras View Post
                        Interesting figures.
                        'Value per year' divided by the number of games does not seem to work out as the quoted 'value per game', for the pro 12 or aviva at least?
                        132 games in the AP excluding playoffs same in the pro 12 or 90 if you leave out the italians. Maybe the extra 2.5 million in the pro 12 figure might be a separate deal the Italians have?
                        It looks like the Premiership clubs figures include European rugby. If that is the case, the PRO12 is worth 39.6+20m per annum = 60m per annum as the PRO12 get 20m from the European Cup.

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                          #13
                          To be perfectly honest, trying to get to the bottom of figures that are undisclosed is just a recipe for insomnia. The AP and T14 have a lot more TV money than everyone else the same as they have for the last twenty years of professionalism. Not that much has changed, although smaller attendances in Ireland and falling merchandise sales as a result are putting the squeeze on. Time to buy some more Munster kit.

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                            #14
                            A report on the BBC website from last march says

                            Premiership Rugby Ltd and BT Sport have announced a new six-year contract for exclusive live rights, understood to be worth around 80% more than the current agreement.
                            and

                            The previous deal was worth £152 million, however that also contained rights to show English clubs' games in Europe - which has since been passed on to the new European tournament organisers EPCR.
                            and

                            By the time we get to 2017 we should be pretty close, if not right on a par with them
                            The 'them' in the last quote refers to the Top 14.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Pythagoras View Post
                              Based on linked to newspaper reports it looks like the Pro 12 is getting £7.5 million* a year, the aviva premiership £45 million** and the Top 14 £60 million, from tv deals.

                              Based on the populations of their respective catchment areas the Pro 12 is getting 50 pence per head, the AP, 85 pence and the Top 14, 91 pence.

                              So the Pro 12 deal looks poor both in absolute and relative terms when compared to the others.

                              * Pro 12 deal excludes Italy

                              ** The current deal for the AP is an undisclosed generous increase over the previous £152 million four deal, a la Drumm I'm picking £180 million as the new figure.
                              Assuming these are correct (they won't be wildly off) the English clubs are getting 45 / 12 so 3.75 million a club if shared equally. The French are getting 60 / 14 so 4.3 million if shared equally. The Pro 12 clubs would be getting 625 k. In reality though the IRFU takes all of our TV money. No wonder we are bargain basement shopping
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