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    Originally posted by Thomond78 View Post
    But you are coming in from a Welsh message board. Smallclone over on Gwlad quoted Leo in their stalking thread, and called it a rant - a word you conspicuously used.

    The repeated references to Leicester and the attempts to troll Cork supporters have me thinking the range of possible candidates for your identity is quite narrow. Quite narrow indeed.
    Smallcojones probably lurks over here, in an effort to try and find out the definition of the words 'crowd', 'atmosphere' and 'success', all of which have eluded him as a Bloos fan.

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      I think most of us are pretty happy with the last two seasons on the field, we stopped the rot in year 1 and have been rebuilding at pace. Two consecutive Semi Finals in the HEC isn't bad. Off the field we have the prospect of the debt for the entire new stadium being cleared in one move, that will let us strengthen significantly and compete for the very best foreign signings while also turning Musgrave from a dated old stadium with no facilities into a modern standard without significant debt being accrued. Add to this the training centre in UL and I think we have made massive progress in the last few years. That's why the trolls are back slinking out of their holes
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        Originally posted by Cwmscwtch View Post
        Smallcojones probably lurks over here, in an effort to try and find out the definition of the words 'crowd', 'atmosphere' and 'success', all of which have eluded him as a Bloos fan.
        Smallclone is a scarlets fan. He's indeed a huge fan of stalking here in the hope of finding a tidbit to report home to his idol philb. I know him from yet anyother rugby forum and he is actually a fairly knowledgeable rugby guy, crippled by a vicious hatred of anything Irish, Roger Lewis or ideas other than those given to him by phil

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          Don't, please don't.

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            Originally posted by diarm View Post
            Smallclone is a scarlets fan. He's indeed a huge fan of stalking here in the hope of finding a tidbit to report home to his idol philb. I know him from yet anyother rugby forum and he is actually a fairly knowledgeable rugby guy, crippled by a vicious hatred of anything Irish, Roger Lewis or ideas other than those given to him by phil
            He's a MiniPhil, is he?

            Phil has his acolytes. In the Kingdom of the Blind, I suppose he would have, after all.

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              Originally posted by 5eight View Post
              Rugby competes with over 500 GAA clubs in Munster not to mention soccer and a host of other sports. The entire population is approx 1.25m. In a largely rural area with poor infrastructure making travel between areas unattractive especially on a winters day. The East Midlands has a population of approx 4.5m and should have an excess of attendance at rugby matches in proportion to its size.
              Taking your theory that Cork, as the biggest urban area in Munster, fails to attract maximum crowds how do you explain the lack of a crowd at last weeks semi in Twickenham considering the sheer size of greater London. The London clubs grounds should be fit to burst at every game.
              Doesn't the All Ireland Hurling and Gaelic Football championships take place between May and September? Namely Rugby's off season.


              Cork is bigger than Bath, Gloucester, Exeter or Northampton. Outside of the South Western boroughs London really isn't a rugby city at all. London has 6 Premiership soccer clubs and 4 more in the Championship. They are the sporting focus of the city during the winter, even when rugby internationals are being played.

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                Originally posted by Doodle Bug View Post
                Doesn't the All Ireland Hurling and Gaelic Football championships take place between May and September? Namely Rugby's off season.


                Cork is bigger than Bath, Gloucester, Exeter or Northampton. Outside of the South Western boroughs London really isn't a rugby city at all. London has 6 Premiership soccer clubs and 4 more in the Championship. They are the sporting focus of the city during the winter, even when rugby internationals are being played.
                People very rarely play two or more sports to a professional level. Anyone playing senior GAA is not going to be playing pro rugby no matter how good they are. Bath, Gloucester, Exeter and Northampton don't have much local competition for bums on seats.

                London has a population of some 10m, it should easily support football and rugby. Cork is largely a GAA city with rugby coming about fourth in the pecking order. Last week the AP supporters whinged that Twickers was too big and couldn't be filled, noW the whinge is that CAP is too small and the ticket allocation per club is not sufficient. Why not buy tickets in Sept when they went on sale?
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                  Originally posted by 5eight View Post
                  People very rarely play two or more sports to a professional level. Anyone playing senior GAA is not going to be playing pro rugby no matter how good they are. Bath, Gloucester, Exeter and Northampton don't have much local competition for bums on seats.

                  London has a population of some 10m, it should easily support football and rugby. Cork is largely a GAA city with rugby coming about fourth in the pecking order. Last week the AP supporters whinged that Twickers was too big and couldn't be filled, noW the whinge is that CAP is too small and the ticket allocation per club is not sufficient. Why not buy tickets in Sept when they went on sale?
                  Don't go bringing numbers or other cities into this 5eight. This is all about Cork and putting those arrogant Munster fans in their place. And meritocracy, lashings of piping hot meritocracy. It's what the fans want, innit.

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                    Originally posted by whimpersnap View Post
                    don't go bringing numbers or other cities into this 5eight. This is all about cork and putting those arrogant munster fans in their place. And meritocracy, lashings of piping hot meritocracy. It's what the fans want, innit.
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                      Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                      wooden shoes
                      Dave Kearney wears wooden shoes.

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                        Originally posted by 5eight View Post
                        People very rarely play two or more sports to a professional level. Anyone playing senior GAA is not going to be playing pro rugby no matter how good they are. Bath, Gloucester, Exeter and Northampton don't have much local competition for bums on seats.

                        London has a population of some 10m, it should easily support football and rugby. Cork is largely a GAA city with rugby coming about fourth in the pecking order. Last week the AP supporters whinged that Twickers was too big and couldn't be filled, noW the whinge is that CAP is too small and the ticket allocation per club is not sufficient. Why not buy tickets in Sept when they went on sale?
                        Were talking about crowds. The Rugby and the GAA seasons don't really clash with each other. Even in the "rugby heartlands" of England soccer is still more popular and the soccer season runs concurrently with the rugby season and attracts huge support and overwhelming media coverage.

                        Greater London has a population of 8.2 million and much of that population has little or no interest in rugby at all. Outside the South West of the city and a couple of the other outer boroughs rugby little or no presence.

                        Saracens aren't very well supported. They still get better crowds in Barnet, 8,500 average, than Munster do in Cork but they aren't very popular at all. People in England don't even like Saracens so continually bashing them isn't really a wounding an argument. A bit like people in England slagging off Ulster rugby and taking them as representative of Irish rugby as a whole when they are quite clearly not.

                        In terms of the crowd at the Saracens v Clermont semi final I am not really sure what all the fuss is about. 25,000 is about in line with what the English and French clubs usually attract to knock out European matches. Maybe slightly less but hardly a disaster. It should have been held at a smaller venue but I imagine Twickenham was the cheapest and most convenient venue available.

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                          I'm at a loss as to your actual point. Are crowds in Cork small? Yes. Can you proceed from that fact to argue that Munster fans don't care about the league, or are event junkies, or only turn up for the HEC? Well, no. As you've been shown. Repeatedly.

                          You've gone from arguing that our league support is poor to focussing in on the attendances in one base and just stating over and over again that they're not very big. Which no one here has disputed.

                          So what is your point?
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                            He still hasn't explained what Cork has to do with anything. Put it this way - Munster are the only side in Britain and Ireland who play games regularly away from their home city and even those games get higher attendances than most have in their home stadium. This lad clearly feels that Cork people not being as mad into their Munster Rugby somehow undermines the entire province. I'd like to see Leicester play four games a season in Wolverhampton and we'll see how many fans they get in the door.

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                              Originally posted by whimpersnap View Post
                              Dave Kearney runs like he wears wooden shoes.
                              Sorry. Had to be done. :D
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                                Originally posted by whimpersnap View Post
                                He still hasn't explained what Cork has to do with anything. Put it this way - Munster are the only side in Britain and Ireland who play games regularly away from their home city and even those games get higher attendances than most have in their home stadium. This lad clearly feels that Cork people not being as mad into their Munster Rugby somehow undermines the entire province. I'd like to see Leicester play four games a season in Wolverhampton and we'll see how many fans they get in the door.
                                Well that is just silly. Munster are a provincial team that represent the whole province not just Limerick. They don't have a "home city". Cork is the biggest city in Munster. Doesn't it seem strange that Munster supporter get in a frenzy for weekend breaks to the South of France or London but they don't deign to make the effort to watch League matches in Cork?

                                It doesn't seem to be a very loyal form of support?

                                Also so why would Leicester go and play in Wolverhampton? Leicester represent the City of Leicester and by extension the county of Leicestershire. Wolverhampton is the other side of Birmingham.

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