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    Originally posted by sewa View Post
    Pure rubbish from you as usual. Its a business, you cannot break European law
    The Irish provinces do it..
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      Originally posted by Piquet View Post
      The thing is, Jos, as sewa stated above, you rarely hear of a gouging case involving English or Celtic players. It is more often a French or Argentine player quite often playing in the French League that is involved. Gouging seems to be more acceptable in France than elsewhere.
      Yes it is. But if a british or irish player do the same, he must have the same ban. And it has to have evidences.

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        Originally posted by Jos View Post
        Yes it is. But if a british or irish player do the same, he must have the same ban. And it has to have evidences.
        They do, remember Quinnie missed out on a Lions Tour for "contact with the eye area", getting six weeks. There was no accusation of Gouging. If there had been, Quinnie would have got at least three or four months.
        Last edited by Piquet; 14th-September-2013, 21:15.

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          Jos

          We dislike the H-Cup in France because we believe it's poorly organized, unfair in the selection process. And especially because we believe that refereeing and sporting sanctions are not impartial. (True or not is another debate) This is not even a matter of money for us.And the real question is rather will you last long?

          How many Frenchmen does it take to change a light bulb?

          One. He holds the bulb and all of Europe revolves around him.

          Frank the Tank is not coming back. OK? That part of me is over, water under the bridge.

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            Originally posted by Jackie Brown View Post
            The French clubs are part of the problem with their big sugar daddies. They should be limited to 4 non frenchies per team. That would make the Heineken Cup fairer.
            Our clubs are private businesses. No law permits discrimination because of nationality in Europe.Your best players are divided into four provinces. Ours, into 14 clubs. And yours are playing the Heineken Cup every year, accumulating more experience. It wouldn't be fair either.

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              Originally posted by Piquet View Post
              They do, remember Quinnie missed out on a Lions Tour for "contact with the eye area", getting six weeks. There was no accusation of Gouging if there had been, Quinnie would have got at least three or four months.
              Ours get more than a year. And what was the proof? Nothing. Just an English saying it. No medical record, no video.

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                Of which incident do you speak?

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                  Originally posted by Jos View Post
                  Our clubs are private businesses. No law permits discrimination because of nationality in Europe.Your best players are divided into four provinces. Ours, into 14 clubs. And yours are playing the Heineken Cup every year, accumulating more experience. It wouldn't be fair either.
                  Quite correct and true, Jackie knows the difference but is being deliberately dumb for some sort of fun
                  My computer thinks I'm gay
                  What's the difference anyway
                  When all the people do all day
                  Is stare into a phone

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                    Originally posted by sewa View Post
                    I can understand the frustration, is this the way to deal with it? Why not work to improve the system from within the tent, rather than being outside pissing in
                    We tried for years, but your Union (Irish, scotish and welsh) never wanted to listen us.Look, they are trying to negotiate only now!

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                      Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                      Of which incident do you speak?
                      An old case. He was player from Perpignan (don't remember his name). It was so grotesque that our league had refused to apply the ban.
                      There is also David Attoub from Stade Fran├žais: 70 weeks. (but him, he was really guilty)

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                        Originally posted by Jos View Post
                        It's a quite true. We only watch the big games, and only if a french team plays.If you ask fans, they'll prefer wining the Top 14 to the H-Cup (exept maybe the Toulousains, because they can claim they're the team in Europe)It exist since 1892. In France we all have that kind of memory when we think about our championship:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfPFPOP9E6g
                        There is some serious homoeroticism going on in that video.
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                          Marius Tincu, if memory serves.

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                            Originally posted by sewa View Post
                            Pure rubbish from you as usual. Its a business, you cannot break European law
                            Actually... There IS a requirement like that. 60% French developed (called JIFF). Thing is, with the recent EU report on the UEFA homegrown rule, that's probably gone, too, because the press release on that mentioned they were looking at similar rules in other sports.
                            Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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                              Originally posted by Jos View Post
                              We tried for years, but your Union (Irish, scotish and welsh) never wanted to listen us.Look, they are trying to negotiate only now!
                              that's a load of bull and you know it. It's as if you have been asking and asking for years and nobody listened, half of France is on the ERC board. You are getting into bed with a dirty English prostitute who couldn't make enough money for herself so has seduced you into thinking her bed is not crawling with nits and you can be her pimp to drum up some new business, you threaten us and then ask us to pity you as nobody listened to you, oh you poor baby, poor poor england and france. . . Don't talk to me about the integrity of the game when it's simply about more money and greed, there is no such thing as honour and honesty or love of the game in France now, nor in England as you have let your clubs suck the blood and money dry for years until now the money is gone you come and provoke us who have tried to keep our finances in order. England have 70,000 registered players have confounded modern science by making a complete ******** of their national team and their clubs while other countries with far less have managed much more.

                              Wake up France. Mon Dieu! Think of the poor children
                              Frank the Tank is not coming back. OK? That part of me is over, water under the bridge.

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                                Originally posted by Jos View Post
                                Ours get more than a year. And what was the proof? Nothing. Just an English saying it. No medical record, no video.
                                This is a great myth that keeps getting repeated. There was medical evidence, given at the hearing. He also only got 18 weeks.

                                16. The Committee read a statement dated 18 October (the date of the match) from Doctor Tony Crane who examined James during the half time interval. He said:
                                “During the half time interval I attended Paul James to assess some injuries sustained during the first half. He required 4 stitches to a laceration on the right side of his temperal-occipial region to his scalp. He also required 2 stitches to a smaller laceration to the lateral aspect of his right eye. During this assessment he complained of a painful burning sensation in his right eye following an alleged gouging incident during play. He described being able to partly squeeze his eye tight to avoid a full gouging penetrative injury during the incident. Examination findings revealed a hyperaemic eye with some dilated superficial blood vessels and profuse watering. There was no evidence of any significant injury to the cornea and the remaining examination was unremarkable. Following re-assessment after the game, there were no new findings, the watering had settled down and the eye had a mild hyperaemia only. Although I cannot comment on the exact cause of this injury, the clinical findings would certainly fit in with a gouging type injury.”
                                http://www.ercrugby.com/images/conte...c_Decision.pdf

                                http://www.ercrugby.com/images/conte...RIUS_TINCU.pdf

                                And whatever else they may be (and aren't they just...), the Ospreys are NOT English.
                                Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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