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    I mean, it's not like they couldn't just come on here, and have us do the bloody research for them. They've done that in the past. When they're too lazy even to nick stories of message boards, you have to despair.
    Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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      Is this anything to do with other newspapers wanting to give Rupert Murdoch a good kicking regardless of the facts?

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        Originally posted by Paddytheman View Post
        Is this anything to do with other newspapers wanting to give Rupert Murdoch a good kicking regardless of the facts?
        May well do.
        Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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          Originally posted by 3Crowns3Stars View Post
          If Sky called the PRL and LNR's bluff by offering identical terms to the English Championship and French second league, I've a feeling a few of the Top league teams would waiver. It might take a couple of years , but the extra funds would make those 2nd level teams fairly competitive and would limit the French Anglo cup to a binational tournament instead of a European one.
          TV audience is king, however, so it's difficult to call...
          Therein is the rub. If the leaks are to be believed the BT deal that the PRL signed up to means they must deliver at least 4 of Wales, Scots, Irish, French, Italians and English.

          They can have a bi-national tournament, but BT won't be paying for it. Indeed, the money the PRL gets from BT drops below what they were previously getting from Sky if they can't deliver a pan European competition.

          All hearsay mind.
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            If the BT leak is a hypothetical email I saw today then who will show France home games to irish audience?
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              Originally posted by exiled to connacht View Post
              You are obviously unaware of what a majority of welsh rugby fans think of our league or welsh and Irish media think for that matter.
              Simon Thomas stated that suggestions to improve the pro12 were akin to rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic. They don't believe in the product.
              I referred to the league being better than the AP over the last five years. Since the Welsh exodus to France there has been a disappointing drop in the Welsh teams but I would still have ranked the CL higher. The CL has always had the potential to be a great competition.
              He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is.

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                Originally posted by RichardP View Post
                I agree but if you read the comments to the Telegraph and the Independent(UK) you'll see that most posters there see the ERC and Pro12 as the intransigent, greedy parties to this dispute. They believe ERC/Pro12 created this by refusing to negotiate and forcing the PRL/LNR to break away. They're still hung up on the issue of qualification, and distribution of funds and some of the want to absolutely sink the Celtalians - how ironic, because they'll still wind up with a competition that nobody wants.
                Nevertheless, the level of ignorance over there is quite staggering and it is being fuelled by the PRL press releases through those newspapers.
                They have a point on the qualification issue and I would agree with them. Having the one Scottish and one Italian team in the Challenge Cup will do no harm to them. I think the CL have got their back up because of the approach that the English took toward the whole situation.
                He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is.

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                  The Celtalians are no saints in this situation either, they were probably more than a little belligerent on some of the issues the french/PRL raised but it has to be remembered the biggest, and it would seem only, insurmountable problem is the PRL who have done a deal with the devil, the exact details we do not know but can start to speculate about.

                  The thing that also should be pointed out is that qualification was it would seem a red herring. The real and only reason, as has now been admitted time and time again by the PRL and many of its constituent members, is money. The PRL feel/felt they weren't getting enough. BT come along and, theoretically, offer a genuinely game changing amount of money if the PRL can get 4-6 European teams into a new tournament. BT have the added benefit of landing a serious blow against their main PPV rivals Sky. The PRL become the dominant player within the domestic game, they sweet-heart the French by allowing them to negotiate a lucrative deal with the Quatari's and can dictate whatever terms they like to the Celtalians. We are brought into line, PRL clubs richer and losses reduced. Potentially also gives them a tilted playing field to bate us as well.

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                    Originally posted by Red Hand Hero View Post
                    The Celtalians are no saints in this situation either, they were probably more than a little belligerent on some of the issues the french/PRL raised but it has to be remembered the biggest, and it would seem only, insurmountable problem is the PRL who have done a deal with the devil, the exact details we do not know but can start to speculate about.

                    The thing that also should be pointed out is that qualification was it would seem a red herring. The real and only reason, as has now been admitted time and time again by the PRL and many of its constituent members, is money. The PRL feel/felt they weren't getting enough. BT come along and, theoretically, offer a genuinely game changing amount of money if the PRL can get 4-6 European teams into a new tournament. BT have the added benefit of landing a serious blow against their main PPV rivals Sky. The PRL become the dominant player within the domestic game, they sweet-heart the French by allowing them to negotiate a lucrative deal with the Quatari's and can dictate whatever terms they like to the Celtalians. We are brought into line, PRL clubs richer and losses reduced. Potentially also gives them a tilted playing field to bate us as well.
                    I don't think we are in disagreement here RHH; I was merely pointing out that MANY DT and Independent readers see the Pro12 stance on qualification, remuneration and negotiation as the ONLY factors which led to this impasse. There were, in fact, ongoing negotiations but PRL/LNR had no interest in seeing those negotiations succeed. It has subsequently become apparent there was intransigence on all sides AND the Franglais were bargaining in bad faith, having made their deal with BT well before the actually gave notice of resignation from the competition. Their side has always been about taking control.

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                      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rug...breakaway.html

                      The fascinating thing is: has anyone suggested what Cockerill is stripping his gears over? Because I've seen no hint of it. So why, then, go spare, publicly, threatening the RFU like this?

                      Interesting.
                      Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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                        Originally posted by Thomond78 View Post
                        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rug...breakaway.html

                        The fascinating thing is: has anyone suggested what Cockerill is stripping his gears over? Because I've seen no hint of it. So why, then, go spare, publicly, threatening the RFU like this?

                        Interesting.
                        You don't really mean its "interesting", do you?

                        You mean it's a fairly surreal thing for a coach with "no dog in the fight" to come out with. Seriously, you'd think if they were sure of their ground with the RFU then they'd be quietly going about their business without trotting out skulls like Cockerill to warn off the good old boys.

                        To to be honest T78, I'm guessing, that by "interesting" you mean they are crapping themselves that the ERFU is about to "grow a set"?

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                          Competitive league. Or some such gubbins.

                          http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/r...e-8847739.html
                          Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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                            RaboDirect to call time on sponsorship end of this season.

                            http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugb...-29524654.htmlCELTIC LEAGUE rugby will rely on their new four-year, seven-figure television deal with Sky Sports to land them a new title-sponsor following the news RaboDirect will not be renewing their existing Pro12 sponsorship deal.

                            clowns

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                              Originally posted by barleys chinos View Post
                              RaboDirect to call time on sponsorship end of this season.

                              http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugb...-29524654.htmlCELTIC LEAGUE rugby will rely on their new four-year, seven-figure television deal with Sky Sports to land them a new title-sponsor following the news RaboDirect will not be renewing their existing Pro12 sponsorship deal.
                              That's old news BC, was announced a few months back.
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                                Someone might have a word with the Examiner.

                                http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/r...in-244843.html


                                By Julian Bennetts, London
                                Yesterday, as the dispute over the future of the Heineken Cup became ever more ugly at the competition’s UK launch, it was at least apparent that ERC, the body currently running European competitions, have nothing to give up at all.

                                Asked directly how they would tempt English Premiership’s clubs back to the negotiating table and end the stand-off, ERC chief executive Derek McGrath offered nothing except a defence of the current competition and an admission the dispute is centred around television deals.

                                Leicester Director of Rugby Richard Cockerill went further. He declared ERC to be dead in the water, and lamented Irish provinces’ guaranteed entry into the current version of the Heineken Cup.

                                “Why is it alright for Leicester, Bath or Wasps not to be in Europe, but it’s not alright for Munster or Leinster?” he asked as he outlined why English and French clubs want the current format to be changed.

                                Etc.

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