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    Originally posted by Evil Omer View Post
    So an English club director says the HEC is dead because.,...... well because basically they don't make more money out of it. English rugby is a disgrace. The number of times they've rigged the premiership to stop the successful 2nd tier side being promoted, on the basis of rules that existing EPL clubs don't meet, is a disgrace. All they are interested in is money for themselves. They batter the RFU for money. They batter the HEC for money. They want more from this, more from that. It's a joke. And let's be honest here, not the first time the English have sold a rugby tournament they don't have the rights to. Don't forget they were technically kicked out of the 5N for doing just that. This is total self interest. They don't like the fact their teams don't fit in with their propaganda that the weak Celts are beneath them. It does seriously get up their noses, hence the constant excuse making that they have to play more games, they have to play harder, they are so unfairly treated, the rest of the rugby world is stopping them achieving their rightful place as masters of the universe. And to be honest the French just like to have a good sulk every now and then - I think any suggestion the 2 of them are actually on the same side on this could be shown up very quickly.
    If the Rabo gave HEC places based on finishing positions and only got the same money as the Top14/Aviva I'm sure there would be no worries.

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      Originally posted by Aussiedub View Post
      If the Rabo gave HEC places based on finishing positions and only got the same money as the Top14/Aviva I'm sure there would be no worries.
      I think it would seem ok til the English realised that the same sides, especially Leinster and Munster, would still be coming out of the Rabo and would still be beating their sides. That's the biggest problem, they cannot fathom the dominance of Irish rugby on HEC for so many years and have constantly tried to find "the Irish have an easy ride" answers to it.
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        http://www.joe.ie/entertainment/tele...ge-in-ireland/

        Interesting develoment as Setanta is on the Sky Platform here in Ireland.
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          HD too! :D

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            How is it the English think they're in the driving seat for running the competition?

            How many finalists have they had in the past few years? Since our last win they have featured 3 times from a possible 12. You would think they dominate it. Frankly they have noting like the draw of the 3 provinces and almost all french teams. They have as much to lose as anyone.

            There is an issue with the second Italian team being a disgrace, and sometimes the Scots have let themselves down. There will have to be change to the qualifying.

            Interesting that he mentioned revenue split, obviously there is a motive to get more cash AND neuter their competition for signing players. By pulling cash from the Rabo teams they will find it easier to compete for players.

            I expect the cash will end up being split 30:30:40(rabo), and there being 2 less Rabo teams in it 6:6:8. That would be fair and logical, but then that guy comes across as a gob****e.

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              Pony,

              They're in the driving seat because they bring by far the largest domestic TV market, and the money in the competition is essentially TV money.
              "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

              "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


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                RWU, SRU, IRFU, RFU, FFR & the FIR will all have a say before the ink can dry on any deal.
                If the English clubs want to exclude celtic and Italian sides from international club competition then why can't the shoe be on the other foot when it comes to the other international competitions like the Six Nations?
                Last edited by rathbaner; 24th-June-2013, 22:02.
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                  Originally posted by rathbaner View Post
                  RWU, SRU, IRFU, RFU, FFR & the FIR will all have a say before the ink can dry on any deal.
                  If the English clubs want to exclude celtic and Italian sides from international club competition then why can't the show be on the other foot when it comes to the other international competitions like the Six Nations?
                  Bring back the five nations without England. That would sort out a lot.

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                    Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
                    Pony,

                    They're in the driving seat because they bring by far the largest domestic TV market, and the money in the competition is essentially TV money.
                    Have they? France is a bigger market. England is very regionalised for rugby. They also have poorer typical attendances than the French and Irish. This is supported by their top teams like Sara's and Quins being in 10k stadia and not filling for average games. I know they occasionally go to Wembley etc but they don't sell they out and they are glamour ties.

                    I know their domestic TV deal is worth more, but hopefully Sky will put the boot in to the Rabo to ensure the best players don't sit it out. Of the 3 groupings I think the English are the only ones that the HEC could survive without.

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                      Originally posted by Pony View Post
                      Have they? France is a bigger market. England is very regionalised for rugby. They also have poorer typical attendances than the French and Irish. This is supported by their top teams like Sara's and Quins being in 10k stadia and not filling for average games. I know they occasionally go to Wembley etc but they don't sell they out and they are glamour ties.

                      I know their domestic TV deal is worth more, but hopefully Sky will put the boot in to the Rabo to ensure the best players don't sit it out. Of the 3 groupings I think the English are the only ones that the HEC could survive without.
                      I'm not sure how you're measuring market, but it's the domestic TV market that matters. That's the money that funds the central pot, from which Ireland receives significantly more than it puts in.

                      The HEC can't work without English participation.
                      "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                      "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                      "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                        Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
                        I'm not sure how you're measuring market, but it's the domestic TV market that matters. That's the money that funds the central pot, from which Ireland receives significantly more than it puts in.

                        The HEC can't work without English participation.
                        fly in the ointment there though, the domestic market in England includes the likes of me and you watching to watch an Irish side not an English side. England may have the biggest market but that doesn't guarantee they're all English. Whereas you can pretty guarantee the like of 99% of Irish, Welsh and Scots markets are from there.
                        \"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"

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                          Originally posted by Evil Omer View Post
                          fly in the ointment there though, the domestic market in England includes the likes of me and you watching to watch an Irish side not an English side. England may have the biggest market but that doesn't guarantee they're all English. Whereas you can pretty guarantee the like of 99% of Irish, Welsh and Scots markets are from there.
                          True, and the scale of the market is linked to the quality of the competition. They've not had any luck with the LV.
                          "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                          "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                          "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                            Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
                            I'm not sure how you're measuring market, but it's the domestic TV market that matters. That's the money that funds the central pot, from which Ireland receives significantly more than it puts in.

                            The HEC can't work without English participation.
                            The HEC did survive without English participation in 1998/99 (I think - the year Ulster won). Maybe the money distribution was different then. Maybe the HEC could survive without the English OR the French, but not both at the same time?

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                              Originally posted by anno12 View Post
                              The HEC did survive without English participation in 1998/99 (I think - the year Ulster won). Maybe the money distribution was different then. Maybe the HEC could survive without the English OR the French, but not both at the same time?
                              It was a different competition in terms of scale and profile then, I think, and it was a one year thing.

                              It could survive English departure in terms of their clubs participation, but there'd be a lot less money in the pot for those left in without their TV audience.
                              "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                              "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                              "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                                Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
                                It was a different competition in terms of scale and profile then, I think, and it was a one year thing.

                                It could survive English departure in terms of their clubs participation, but there'd be a lot less money in the pot for those left in without their TV audience.
                                True enough

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