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  • rathbaner
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    Yes I agree. It's hard to see a second team emerging from our pool.
    Sarries will have up to ten players in Japan and we'll have the same. Ospreys may have more away.
    Racing may have as few as six in Japan.

    Will we lose key players to injury in Japan? You'd have to say it's possible. In previous years we've lost Wally, TOD and Felix to serious injuries in the warm ups, Paulie never played again after his injury v France in the RWC.
    The Thomond Park factor will be critical in keeping us alive in the group until January. If we're still in it, then we can hope.

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  • xRedmanx
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    Very unlikely a second placed team will qualify out of our group I think?

    Separate point:
    ​​​​​Hopefully we are at home in the last game.

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  • Waterfordlad
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    Yeah I’d like Sarries up first too, either home or away.

    Our new coaches are in for a baptism of fire (and pride, passion and honesty etc)

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  • blackwarrior
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    Originally posted by lawrence View Post
    Ospreys are one of the worst teams in the competition, they barely made it into the champions cup.

    Racing are a team that have declined over the last two seasons, still a tough place to go but we know what it takes to get a win there.

    Sarries are completely reliant on 4/5 key players who will play a massive amount of rugby between now and then, a few injuries and the playing field becomes very level very quickly. We are a team that has aspirations of winning the competition, there is no better time to try and knock out Sarries than the group stages post World Cup.

    The quality of the teams we will play means we get better kick off times and full houses in TP.

    Plenty to be positive about.
    Yes to this.

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  • red exile
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    Originally posted by scotscor View Post
    But if Glasgow were in the first tier, then they could have had exeter, racing and montpellier) It was ony the luck of the draw tat Glasgow were tier 2
    Yes, Glasgow going in to Tier 1 really helped their odds. But even if they didn't, it was still more likely that they would get a good draw than a bad one. Gloucester or Chiefs for tier 2 and then Lyon, La Rochelle or Racing 92 tier 3.So they would have had a 1:6 chance of Chiefs and Racing

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  • jagawayagain
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    Originally posted by Captain Fantastic View Post
    Saracens will be the B2B you'd suspect
    Hope not- want them up first..

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  • scotscor
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    Originally posted by red exile View Post

    Leinster have the added advantage that they are top seeds from what I believe is the most competitive league. Meaning they will have to pick up second and third rate English and French teams. Saracens picking up second and third teams from the Pro14 and Top14 are much more likely to get a rough draw.


    So Leinster could only have had Gloucester or Lyon as their 2nd Tier (Munster Ulster & Glasgow excluded becuse they are in the Pro14) If they had Gloucester they would have had La Rochelle or Racing as their 3rd (then any of the last tier could have been drawn). So they were never going to get an awful group given their seeding. But Saracens don't have that luxury because the majority of the English teams are seen as a bit of a soft touch these days (Sarries and Exeter excluded).
    But if Glasgow were in the first tier, then they could have had exeter, racing and montpellier) It was ony the luck of the draw tat Glasgow were tier 2

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  • Captain Fantastic
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    Originally posted by lawrence View Post
    Ospreys are one of the worst teams in the competition, they barely made it into the champions cup.

    Racing are a team that have declined over the last two seasons, still a tough place to go but we know what it takes to get a win there.

    Sarries are completely reliant on 4/5 key players who will play a massive amount of rugby between now and then, a few injuries and the playing field becomes very level very quickly. We are a team that has aspirations of winning the competition, there is no better time to try and knock out Sarries than the group stages post World Cup.

    The quality of the teams we will play means we get better kick off times and full houses in TP.

    Plenty to be positive about.
    From a purely financial pov, its a good draw. As you say, you'd expect prime sat kick off times + big attendances/cracking atmospheres. We are good enough to beat each of those teams in thomond whatever happens away from home.

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  • lawrence
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    Ospreys are one of the worst teams in the competition, they barely made it into the champions cup.

    Racing are a team that have declined over the last two seasons, still a tough place to go but we know what it takes to get a win there.

    Sarries are completely reliant on 4/5 key players who will play a massive amount of rugby between now and then, a few injuries and the playing field becomes very level very quickly. We are a team that has aspirations of winning the competition, there is no better time to try and knock out Sarries than the group stages post World Cup.

    The quality of the teams we will play means we get better kick off times and full houses in TP.

    Plenty to be positive about.

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  • lawrence
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    Originally posted by Captain Fantastic View Post
    Saracens will be the B2B you'd suspect
    Hopefully we get them first away from home and set it all up for a winner takes all in TP.

    The big plus of our group is that we will get prime time fixture times for games instead of Sunday lunch Kickoffs.

    The champions tend to play on the opening night also.

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  • In Joe we trust
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    Originally posted by Chrizzzie View Post
    So sick of Leinster always having the easy draws. Ours is almost as hard as could be and theirs is about as easy as it could be.
    How can you claim Leinster always have easy draws?

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  • Captain Fantastic
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    Saracens will be the B2B you'd suspect

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  • jagawayagain
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    Just in case...

    POOL 1

    Leinster, Lyon, Northampton Saints, Benetton

    POOL 2

    Exeter Chiefs, Glasgow Warriors, La Rochelle, Sale Sharks

    POOL 3

    Clermont Auvergne, Ulster, Harlequins, Bath

    POOL 4

    Saracens, Munster, Racing 92, Opsreys

    POOL 5

    Toulouse, Gloucester, Connacht, Montpellier

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  • red exile
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    Originally posted by scotscor View Post
    Noone is loving that group. It is highly unlikely that there will be two qualifiers from that group, and I would suggest hard to see any of them being a 1st or 2nd seed in the knock out stages which is pretty much crucial if you want to win the thing. I'd think Leinster should be favourites for the comp with that group. Leinster fans will say well of course we got a good draw we were top seeds, it didnt help Sarries much.
    Leinster have the added advantage that they are top seeds from what I believe is the most competitive league. Meaning they will have to pick up second and third rate English and French teams. Saracens picking up second and third teams from the Pro14 and Top14 are much more likely to get a rough draw.


    So Leinster could only have had Gloucester or Lyon as their 2nd Tier (Munster Ulster & Glasgow excluded becuse they are in the Pro14) If they had Gloucester they would have had La Rochelle or Racing as their 3rd (then any of the last tier could have been drawn). So they were never going to get an awful group given their seeding. But Saracens don't have that luxury because the majority of the English teams are seen as a bit of a soft touch these days (Sarries and Exeter excluded).
    Last edited by red exile; 19th-June-2019, 13:18.

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  • scotscor
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    Last post, World cup 3rd place play off is 1st of November. England coming fourth followed by us playing against Sarries away two weeks later would be ideal.

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