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    Originally posted by lawrence View Post
    Ospreys are one of the worst teams in the competition, they barely made it into the champions cup.

    Racing are a team that have declined over the last two seasons, still a tough place to go but we know what it takes to get a win there.

    Sarries are completely reliant on 4/5 key players who will play a massive amount of rugby between now and then, a few injuries and the playing field becomes very level very quickly. We are a team that has aspirations of winning the competition, there is no better time to try and knock out Sarries than the group stages post World Cup.

    The quality of the teams we will play means we get better kick off times and full houses in TP.

    Plenty to be positive about.
    From a purely financial pov, its a good draw. As you say, you'd expect prime sat kick off times + big attendances/cracking atmospheres. We are good enough to beat each of those teams in thomond whatever happens away from home.
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      Originally posted by red exile View Post

      Leinster have the added advantage that they are top seeds from what I believe is the most competitive league. Meaning they will have to pick up second and third rate English and French teams. Saracens picking up second and third teams from the Pro14 and Top14 are much more likely to get a rough draw.


      So Leinster could only have had Gloucester or Lyon as their 2nd Tier (Munster Ulster & Glasgow excluded becuse they are in the Pro14) If they had Gloucester they would have had La Rochelle or Racing as their 3rd (then any of the last tier could have been drawn). So they were never going to get an awful group given their seeding. But Saracens don't have that luxury because the majority of the English teams are seen as a bit of a soft touch these days (Sarries and Exeter excluded).
      But if Glasgow were in the first tier, then they could have had exeter, racing and montpellier) It was ony the luck of the draw tat Glasgow were tier 2

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        Originally posted by Captain Fantastic View Post
        Saracens will be the B2B you'd suspect
        Hope not- want them up first..

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          Originally posted by scotscor View Post
          But if Glasgow were in the first tier, then they could have had exeter, racing and montpellier) It was ony the luck of the draw tat Glasgow were tier 2
          Yes, Glasgow going in to Tier 1 really helped their odds. But even if they didn't, it was still more likely that they would get a good draw than a bad one. Gloucester or Chiefs for tier 2 and then Lyon, La Rochelle or Racing 92 tier 3.So they would have had a 1:6 chance of Chiefs and Racing

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            Originally posted by lawrence View Post
            Ospreys are one of the worst teams in the competition, they barely made it into the champions cup.

            Racing are a team that have declined over the last two seasons, still a tough place to go but we know what it takes to get a win there.

            Sarries are completely reliant on 4/5 key players who will play a massive amount of rugby between now and then, a few injuries and the playing field becomes very level very quickly. We are a team that has aspirations of winning the competition, there is no better time to try and knock out Sarries than the group stages post World Cup.

            The quality of the teams we will play means we get better kick off times and full houses in TP.

            Plenty to be positive about.
            Yes to this.
            "I don't believe in fairytales," O'Connell once told me, "even though it feels like I've been lucky enough to live through a few. However it ends, I'll feel lucky."
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              Yeah I’d like Sarries up first too, either home or away.

              Our new coaches are in for a baptism of fire (and pride, passion and honesty etc)
              "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

              Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

              Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                Very unlikely a second placed team will qualify out of our group I think?

                Separate point:
                ​​​​​Hopefully we are at home in the last game.

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                  Yes I agree. It's hard to see a second team emerging from our pool.
                  Sarries will have up to ten players in Japan and we'll have the same. Ospreys may have more away.
                  Racing may have as few as six in Japan.

                  Will we lose key players to injury in Japan? You'd have to say it's possible. In previous years we've lost Wally, TOD and Felix to serious injuries in the warm ups, Paulie never played again after his injury v France in the RWC.
                  The Thomond Park factor will be critical in keeping us alive in the group until January. If we're still in it, then we can hope.
                  Munster – Champions of Europe 2006, 2008, 2020.

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