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    Originally posted by RED 49 View Post
    big fine and docking of points for saracens
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ary-cap-breach

    Delighted with this - it was so arrogant and obvious what they were doing and appeared as if it was just being ignored.

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      Originally posted by Mike Gibson View Post

      No, there's no salary cap in Europe so no potential for sanctions there I would have thought. If that 35 points reduction is upheld after their inevitable appeal, they'll probably need the guts of 60pts from their remaining 19 matches to avoid relegation (unless one team absolutely stinks the place out) and a likely 80-85 points to make next season's Heineken Cup.
      Are there no rules about compliance within their home
      league? If they are found to have broken the rules of their league to gain entry to the heineken cup then surely their participation in the Heineken cup must be in doubt?

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        I think we should start a gofundme page and help Nigel out with the fine, he has been such a good host to us, the orange army over the years.

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          The offical premiership table has been updated online now. Saracens in last position on - 26 Click image for larger version

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          "If all the wild horsemen of the apocalypse came around the corner O'Mahony would charge straight back at them."
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            Likely and entirely apt but given the season ahead of them and the removal of shadow contracts they will return to their rightful place of tedious mediocrity for a lengthy period. McCall must have been well aware of what was going on. It's very tough to build a winning outfit and they won't see again that for a very long time if ever.

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              Originally posted by Captain Fantastic View Post
              The offical premiership table has been updated online now. Saracens in last position on - 26 Click image for larger version

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              £6m will take some finding (wonder how long they’d have to pay it?), given how loss making they are.

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                BBC The biggest story in English club rugby history'

                Analysis: BBC rugby union correspondent Chris Jones

                Saracens have been the dominant force in the domestic game for the best part of a decade - scooping seven major titles and providing the spine of the England World Cup team - but that success will now be considered tainted.

                How long has it been going on? Will the club keep their titles? Will they appeal, given they insist they were involved in legitimate business dealings with players? What happens now to the current squad, which may need to be dismantled, especially with a £5m fine and the threat of relegation?

                And what do players, coaches and fans at other clubs think, given everyone is affected in some way by this? On that note, do any other clubs in the league have something to hide?

                Like with the Bloodgate scandal 10 years ago, the fallout to this will be significant and lengthy, and will damage the integrity of the Premiership just at the point the league is looking to launch a global expansion.

                This is probably the biggest story in English club rugby history.

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                  Originally posted by lawrence View Post

                  Are there no rules about compliance within their home
                  league? If they are found to have broken the rules of their league to gain entry to the heineken cup then surely their participation in the Heineken cup must be in doubt?
                  There's nothing on EPCR's website to suggest they could punish them but I'd also assume they have more detailed regulations that aren't shown there.

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                    Originally posted by Mike Gibson View Post

                    There's nothing on EPCR's website to suggest they could punish them but I'd also assume they have more detailed regulations that aren't shown there.
                    Perhaps the Nigel’s accidentally left out those paragraphs when they took over the competition, heralding the enormous growth in sponsorship.

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                      Originally posted by offshorerules View Post

                      You would like to think so but I wouldn't bet on it. They'll probably just find a way around the ruling. We'll see though. Pretty significant sanctions though.
                      What is Wray claiming? He said something about Itoje, Farrell and the Vunipolas being partners in an investment property deal. I assume their salaries were being funnelled through this.
                      He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is.

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                        Originally posted by redherring View Post

                        What is Wray claiming? He said something about Itoje, Farrell and the Vunipolas being partners in an investment property deal. I assume their salaries were being funnelled through this.
                        Documents at Companies House reveal that on the same day in early 2017, two separate investment property companies were set up by a business associate of Wray's and given the names ShahDan Limited and DanCallie Ltd.

                        In both cases, this associate, Daniel van den Heever, was sole director and Wray sole shareholder at the point of incorporation.

                        Within three months, the names, directors and shareholders of the companies had changed.

                        ShahDan Limited became VunProp Ltd on March 31, 2017, with the two Vunipola brothers becoming joint directors and 33.3 per cent shareholders by the end of April.


                        Accounts filed with Companies House show the company owns £1.5million worth of property, including a £592,500 property near Bermondsey, South London, bought in March 2017.

                        There is a £1m bank loan and another loan of £522,560 listed.

                        Meanwhile, DanCallie Ltd became Wiggy9 Investments, with Wigglesworth — who has 33 England caps — owning 65 per cent of the shares and Wray 35 per cent.

                        Accounts show the company has £875,000 of investment property and at the end of the year £189,397 was available to shareholders.

                        England captain Farrell is the most recent player known to have gone into business with Wray.

                        Less than a month after Farrell signed a contract extension with Saracens in 2017, the financial management firm Faz Investments Ltd was set up by former Saracens director Kamal Shah, with Farrell and Wray as the only shareholders. No accounts have yet been filed.

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                          Originally posted by Mike Gibson View Post

                          No, there's no salary cap in Europe so no potential for sanctions there I would have thought. If that 35 points reduction is upheld after their inevitable appeal, they'll probably need the guts of 60pts from their remaining 19 matches to avoid relegation (unless one team absolutely stinks the place out) and a likely 80-85 points to make next season's Heineken Cup.
                          There's an argument to be made that if Saracens hadn't breached the rules their squad would have been weaker, and that they might not have won the Premiership or Europe.

                          I wonder would someone consider mounting a legal challenge on that basis? Now that would be interesting.
                          Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue,
                          Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork!

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                            So if they are having a liquidation sale who are we having? I'd have Itoje
                            Last edited by DABOSS; 5th-November-2019, 13:27.

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                              RTÉ carrying a quote from Wray saying he is appealing (which cannot be totally true, because he is a p@@ck), and that as a result all sanctions are suspended. However, a little fact they include is that should the appeal fail, Saracens are liable for the full fine with 21 days. Cost of a beer will be astronomical when we visit in December.

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                                Saracens club statement...
                                SARACENS RUGBY CLUB IS SHOCKED AND DISAPPOINTED BY THESE HEAVY-HANDED SANCTIONS AND WILL LAUNCH AN APPEAL AGAINST ALL THE DISCIPLINARY PANEL’S FINDINGS.

                                The Club is pleased the Panel acknowledged it did not deliberately attempt to breach the salary cap and steadfastly maintains that player co-investments do not constitute salary under the regulations. This view is supported by independent legal and professional experts.

                                The Club will continue to vigorously defend this position especially as PRL precedent already exists whereby co-investments have not been deemed part of salary in the regulations.

                                As previously stated, the Club made administrative errors relating to the non-disclosure of some transactions to PRL and for this we apologise. We are pleased to confirm we now have a robust governance framework in place and this will be overseen by an external counsel to ensure the Club follows best practice.

                                Furthermore, it is the Club’s belief that the Panel’s narrow interpretation of the regulations is detrimental to player welfare across the league and is damaging the development of elite level rugby in the UK.

                                Saracens is proud of its pioneering, innovative approach to player welfare, developing their talents and supporting their entrepreneurial spirit for life beyond rugby.



                                Q&A

                                The Club has received the Disciplinary Panel‘s findings and will be appealing. We are recognise that supporters will have a number of questions. Hopefully, the following will address some of those.

                                What happens during the appeal and how long will the appeal process take?

                                The sanctions will be suspended until after the appeal process is complete. We do not know the timeframe for the appeal process.

                                Does this outcome affect any of your Premiership titles?

                                No. Any points sanction that may be imposed in the future would not have an impact on any trophies the team has previously won.

                                Will the Club now be forced to sell players to comply with the salary cap?

                                No. The Club allocates a set budget for player remuneration which the CEO and coaching staff take full responsibility for. This budget falls within the salary cap and has no connection whatsoever to third party co-investments.

                                How does this verdict affect the Club’s transfer policy?

                                Regardless of the appeal, this outcome does not prevent the Club from signing new players.

                                How does this verdict affect the team’s preparation for the season ahead

                                Mark McCall, his coaches and players prepare for all of our games in the same focussed, committed way and that will continue to be the case. We are a very tight family and this will only make us closer.




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