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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    You only have to look at various club teams across the cities and there's loads of guys from park who probably would have stayed around if there was a university and then park would be senior.
    Some kids head away to university which takes away from the full potential of any club and benefits the clubs in cities with universities, but why would Waterpark differ from clubs like Buccaneers, Sligo, Tullamore, Enniscorthy, Cashel, Clonmel, Navan, Armagh, Nass, Bruff etc who all have senior status but none of which have universities (some not even IT's).

    Retaining players is not just about university status but putting coaching structures in place that help develop players from underage to senior ranks and accommodating those away during the week at university or collage.

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      Originally posted by Jackdidley View Post

      Some kids head away to university which takes away from the full potential of any club and benefits the clubs in cities with universities, but why would Waterpark differ from clubs like Buccaneers, Sligo, Tullamore, Enniscorthy, Cashel, Clonmel, Navan, Armagh, Nass, Bruff etc who all have senior status but none of which have universities (some not even IT's).

      Retaining players is not just about university status but putting coaching structures in place that help develop players from underage to senior ranks and accommodating those away during the week at university or collage.
      It very much so is for Waterpark as many of their members have said again and again
      Many of those clubs far nearer to cities for getting access to players for training etc
      Waterpark as waterfordlad and others will attest do try accomodate those but very hard to when they go away and get enticed to play senior club rugby

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        Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
        It very much so is for Waterpark as many of their members have said again and again
        Many of those clubs far nearer to cities for getting access to players for training etc
        Waterpark as waterfordlad and others will attest do try accomodate those but very hard to when they go away and get enticed to play senior club rugby
        Why would it be different for Waterpark? Look at Sligo, Balina & Enniscorthy, all farther than Waterford to Universities and with much smaller populations. I fully agree the draw of the big club pulls some players from smaller clubs with many actually ending up playing a lower level of rugby. Maybe their members have it wrong or have not looked at retaining players like the previously mentioned clubs. Maybe Waterpark are happy to stay as a junior club and feed into AIL clubs. This might come back to bite them with two senior clubs in the south east region also now looking to entice players

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          Originally posted by Jackdidley View Post

          Why would it be different for Waterpark? Look at Sligo, Balina & Enniscorthy, all farther than Waterford to Universities and with much smaller populations. I fully agree the draw of the big club pulls some players from smaller clubs with many actually ending up playing a lower level of rugby. Maybe their members have it wrong or have not looked at retaining players like the previously mentioned clubs. Maybe Waterpark are happy to stay as a junior club and feed into AIL clubs. This might come back to bite them with two senior clubs in the south east region also now looking to entice players
          You can get a good team around and you can maintain that. Much harder to try build it up especially as so hard to keep players in their late teens beyond playing 18.5s but not ready for junior rugby and the Munster u20 competition isnt allowing clubs play if they cant field in the top flight against all the senior clubs in the cities.
          Waterfordlad here can attest they very much have been trying to retain players and there would be many down there that dont want the club at all to be a feeder club to anyone
          Last edited by ormond lad; 29th-April-2019, 17:16.

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            Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
            You can get a good team around and you can maintain that. Much harder to try build it up especially as so hard to keep players in their late teens beyond playing 18.5s but not ready for junior rugby and the Munster u20 competition isnt allowing clubs play if they cant field in the top flight against all the senior clubs in the cities.
            Waterfordlad here can attest they very much have been trying to retain players and there would be many down there that dont want the club at all to be a feeder club to anyone
            Absolutely correct OL, we’ve lost a huge number of players to University in other cities over the past 10 years. The club has been consistently successful up to U16 and U18 levels and then a mass exodus of the best talent to other clubs elsewhere. Fairly soul destroying
            "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

            Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

            Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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              Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post

              Absolutely correct OL, we’ve lost a huge number of players to University in other cities over the past 10 years. The club has been consistently successful up to U16 and U18 levels and then a mass exodus of the best talent to other clubs elsewhere. Fairly soul destroying
              Waterpark seem to use the university excuse for not retaining players year on year but it just isn’t true. Three of last years very successful u18 squad are playing AIL rugby which is the exception (all 1A this year as it happens). Three are still u18.5 and played with waterpark this year. One guy is playing j1 with waterpark. 10-15 of last years panel are unaccounted for. The year previous (again a very successful team) a small number left to university and of those who did non played AIL, 3-4 are on the WP senior panel. Of the guys mentioned above 3 are playing u20.5 with UCC. Two years previous one guy was an AIL squad member and played u20s with UCC (also one of this years UCC 20.5s) Hardly a mass exodus!!
              Of the school leavers numerous are either away during the week at university and still available to play at weekends or in WIT, either way they are not playing rugby which is a shame. This is a gap WP are currently not filling but to claiming there is a yearly exodus is false.
              Enniscorthy like WP have had great success at underage and are now bearing fruits as playing in the AIL.
              Yes it is difficult not having an u20s team but the transition to senior or retaining players at all should be managed differently this being the case.

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                Originally posted by Jackdidley View Post

                Of the school leavers numerous are either away during the week at university and still available to play at weekends or in WIT, either way they are not playing rugby which is a shame.
                It’s not just about being available at weekends, you need to train during the week which isn’t possible if you are in Dublin, Cork, Limerick etc
                "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                  Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post

                  Absolutely correct OL, we’ve lost a huge number of players to University in other cities over the past 10 years. The club has been consistently successful up to U16 and U18 levels and then a mass exodus of the best talent to other clubs elsewhere. Fairly soul destroying
                  Exactly the same in Ennis.

                  There or thereabouts consistently at under age , both in North Munster and at Munster level at 16's and 18's (have won the Munster title at 16's and 18's in the last 2/3 years). Multiple Provincial and Ireland reps at Youth level but any half decent player goes in to Limerick to play or they move away for college

                  It's a hard sell to get those top end underage players to stay in a Jnr Club - They've been playing in competitive/dominant teams at Youth and then you are asking them to stick around and play J2/J3 club rugby when the see the (not always) greener grass of Snr Rugby a few miles down the road.

                  Players coming up through successful youths setups have been playing with the same guys every week for 5/6 years and the loss of the 3 or 4 guys that were the leaders around the squad causes the loss of a lot of other players.

                  What happens is this - The couple of Rep level players get picked off by the AIL clubs and then a few more head off to college , maybe to play , maybe not. Even those that stick around lose interest because they are no longer going to be playing with their mates and the guys they looked up to are moving on.

                  Having the ability to retain those Youth rep level players would be huge for Junior clubs as keeping those few guys probably also gets you a half dozen more players that will stay around too.

                  I would never want to hold a player back from maximising their careers or playing at the highest possible level , but some better management of Dual-status registration etc. could help a lot.

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                    How do ye propose fixing this issue so? All clubs do have massive drop-out and transfer rates after leaving school, not just junior clubs. Impossible to blame an 18/19 year old from Ennis, for example, who is involved with a Munster / Irish squad wanting to play at a higher level

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                      There's a good crowd of Old Wesleyans down the 'Dyke for the Promotion/Relegation Play-off Final.

                      The conditions are almost perfect. There's a slight breeze from the Pavillion side.

                      ​​​​​​​Mr Patton is in charge.

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                        Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                        There's a good crowd of Old Wesleyans down the 'Dyke for the Promotion/Relegation Play-off Final.

                        The conditions are almost perfect. There's a slight breeze from the Pavillion side.

                        Mr Patton is in charge.
                        Happy days- sounds a real treat to be there.

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                          A great game here. College lead 23 (2T) -12 (2T) at HT.

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                            College conceded a Pen Try early in the second half but pulled away to win handy enough.
                            41(4T) to 19(3T) in the end.

                            College stay up.

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                              Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                              College conceded a Pen Try early in the second half but pulled away to win handy enough.
                              41(4T) to 19(3T) in the end.

                              College stay up.
                              You made the right call today- great result for College

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                                Final starting now. McHenry in for Kenneally.

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