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  • quin_dub
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    Originally posted by Point View Post

    I'm surprised that the whole schools v youth eligibility is still raging in Munster. Surely the priority should be to get as many players playing as possible ? How does Nucifora stand over what's going on ?
    The problem is that Munster are trying to replicate the Leinster Model which they simply do not have the scale or resources to do.

    The Schools competition isn't big enough or strong enough to warrant the exclusion of schools players from any other rugby. There are at most a dozen schools playing Rugby to any really meaningful standard in Munster. It's just not enough. To win a Munster schools cup you are playing 6-8 competitive games at most , even including the meaningless round robin stages. By contrast to win the Munster Club club you are playing 14/15 games to win a final, club players will also potentially play another 8-10 competitive games in the regional leagues and cups.

    They should be following something closer to the Connacht model where players are free to play for their schools and their clubs in order to maximise the volume of competitive rugby the players are exposed to.

    But that would require an admission from the Schools committee and the Munster branch executive that they are more like Connacht than Leinster in terms of player resources and I don't think they are capable of admitting that.

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  • Point
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    Originally posted by Sulla View Post

    Schools rugby isn’t under control of the Branch
    I'm surprised that the whole schools v youth eligibility is still raging in Munster. Surely the priority should be to get as many players playing as possible ? How does Nucifora stand over what's going on ?

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Sulla View Post

    Schools rugby isn’t under control of the Branch
    Some claim it isnt and the way they act in some areas ... but if it isnt who do they report to?

    Cups starting week after next...


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  • Sulla
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    Originally posted by Talking Sense View Post
    Anyone know where I can complain to the branch? Was at a junior schools cup match today in Bandon grammar and Rockwell’s carry on was a disgrace, thanks in advance lads
    Schools rugby isn’t under control of the Branch

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  • VickVinegar
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    Originally posted by Talking Sense View Post
    Anyone know where I can complain to the branch? Was at a junior schools cup match today in Bandon grammar and Rockwell’s carry on was a disgrace, thanks in advance lads
    I wouldn't bother - I'm sure the game had a referee.

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  • Talking Sense
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    Anyone know where I can complain to the branch? Was at a junior schools cup match today in Bandon grammar and Rockwell’s carry on was a disgrace, thanks in advance lads

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Piquet View Post
    And they can't qualify for the knockouts.
    players will have Munster cup/plate/bowl after Christmasso no harm in not playing later on in schools comp. Hopefully will see this continued with another club team added in time.

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  • Piquet
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    And they can't qualify for the knockouts.

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  • ormond lad
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    Munster csp beat Castletroy tonight 15-3. that's 3 wins from 4 and they will top group if pres dont beat Bandon.

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  • ormond lad
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    Games started in group stage. Comp beat munchins 22-7, Munster clubs select beat ard scoil 31-29,
    Rockwell beat glenstal 20-8 terrible game. Ref was delayed so game started 40+ minutes late.

    castletroy beat bandon 18-7

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by locomotion View Post
    In North Munster competitions are run at ALL ages from 13s up to 18.5 with league and conference in the three lower age grades to avoid where possible major mismatches with weaker teams being trounced by the stronger clubs. I don't want to be harping on about it but 6 non exempt schools in the North region takes a lot of players out of the club system and the amount of red tape the Age Grade Committee puts on amalgamations makes it harder for the smaller clubs affected by the schools panels to field but don't worry we will keep on playing and arguing until someone takes notice
    The most important thing is kids playing. if kids are able to play in school without clubs having fights over so many things year on year then where is the problem?
    There isnt really that much red tape to get amalgamations put in or loans to allow kids play rugby. certainly hasnt stopped quite a few players over the years play for nenagh on loan or in amalgamations.

    Anyway squad of Munster CSP for schools cup has been named. will be interesting to see how they do
    Luke Doyle (Waterford City RFC), Edwin Edugobo (Cobh Pirates RFC), James Finn (Nenagh Ormond RFC), Rory Landers (Cork Constitution), Fabian Loughrey (Sunday's Well RFC), Daniel McCarthy (Midleton RFC), Darragh McCarthy (Cobh Pirates RFC), Matt McCarthy (Clonakilty RFC), Conor McMahon (Nenagh Ormond RFC), Conor Moloney (Ennis RFC), Dylan Murphy (Capt) (Nenagh Ormond RFC), Oji Ihechi (Douglas RFC), Jack O'Sullivan (Cobh Pirates RFC), Jack O'Sullivan (Cobh Pirates RFC), Jaymes O'Sullivan (Cashel RFC), Sam Quinlan (Thurles RFC), Kian Regan (Tralee RFC), Seamus Lyne (Tralee RFC), Jay Traynor (Waterpark RCF)

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  • locomotion
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    In North Munster competitions are run at ALL ages from 13s up to 18.5 with league and conference in the three lower age grades to avoid where possible major mismatches with weaker teams being trounced by the stronger clubs. I don't want to be harping on about it but 6 non exempt schools in the North region takes a lot of players out of the club system and the amount of red tape the Age Grade Committee puts on amalgamations makes it harder for the smaller clubs affected by the schools panels to field but don't worry we will keep on playing and arguing until someone takes notice

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by locomotion View Post
    The lack of meaningful rugby across some of the regions is the reason clubs from East and West Munster have come into the North in recent years for competition and they are very welcome. In the medium to long term with the very high drop off level with schools players there is a potential for a serious shortage of players coming into the adult game and ultimately volunteers within the clubs
    nenagh moved to cut distance for travel in some cases for games which was primary reason. Up to clubs in limerick to put in procedures then to keep kids interested in playing after their teens.
    as long as they're playing who cares where it is as long as they're able maintain some sort of link to their(a) club.
    I still will always say some of the east comps especially 14s grade are higher standard than anything in north!

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  • locomotion
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    The lack of meaningful rugby across some of the regions is the reason clubs from East and West Munster have come into the North in recent years for competition and they are very welcome. In the medium to long term with the very high drop off level with schools players there is a potential for a serious shortage of players coming into the adult game and ultimately volunteers within the clubs

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by locomotion View Post
    The problem is not the players on the competition panels (1 -- 24) in the schools but rather the players 25 -- 34 who are strongly discouraged from playing or training with their clubs with no sanction from the branch for these breaches of rules.
    The proposed solution of having seconds and thirds games for these players in schools who don't make the cup team doesn't take into account all the players from non rugby schools who now wont have proper opposition to provide meaningful rugby
    if schools were able to get fixtures for those on panel 25-34 and use non paneled players to make squad of 20 for 2nds match then what's big deal. Thats what's needed
    players from non rugby schools will have more than enough opposition across the province to provide meaningful rugby

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