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  • LimerickRugbyFan
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    Originally posted by Grace of God View Post
    In the other province the Junior Leagues are based on the 1A/1B/2A/2B model with 8 teams in each group playing home and away. Top Team in 1A plays Top 1B to decide league winner etc. We should be looking at something similar. 39 junior teams at present, if Ard Scoil come up or anybody else that would be 40. 5 groups of 8.

    For a lot of teams the journeys across the province on the Sunday make it difficult to field and maintain interest. A bit of geographical proximity with these groupings would be of benefit, that would have to be teased out of course and one or two teams might be worse off. Still worth exploring as I not sure the status quo is exactly inspiring anybody.
    Absolutely agree, lower levels of the Junior leagues should be regionalised, for example in the division 3 you have both Scarrif and Bantry, thats a 6 hour return trip on a Sunday. Difficult to justify that at that level

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  • Grace of God
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    In the other province the Junior Leagues are based on the 1A/1B/2A/2B model with 8 teams in each group playing home and away. Top Team in 1A plays Top 1B to decide league winner etc. We should be looking at something similar. 39 junior teams at present, if Ard Scoil come up or anybody else that would be 40. 5 groups of 8.

    For a lot of teams the journeys across the province on the Sunday make it difficult to field and maintain interest. A bit of geographical proximity with these groupings would be of benefit, that would have to be teased out of course and one or two teams might be worse off. Still worth exploring as I not sure the status quo is exactly inspiring anybody.

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  • dessiestyres
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    Not sure what way it will be but Clonmel does relegate Galbally as per update on the website
    Not sure if confirmed ASR old boys are going up
    I could be wrong but because thomond are coming back junior then galbally will be safe as only 2 going down.

    If it was a situation where Clonmel got promoted and no Munster team came down then 3 would go down from Div 1.

    i do stand to be corrected but that’s my understanding of it.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by LimerickRugbyFan View Post

    Why does Clonmel going up relegate Galbally? There's only 13 in Division 1 as you have it there. Are Ard Scoil Old Boys going into division 3? Could be regionalised at division 2 & 3 perhaps and you'd then be able to have all J2 clubs involved, Newport / Presentation for example
    Not sure what way it will be but Clonmel does relegate Galbally as per update on the website
    Not sure if confirmed ASR old boys are going up

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  • LimerickRugbyFan
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    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    Ive said it a lot but will say it again the junior leagues need to be revamped. Too many divisions and too little to play for for all too many teams with 13 and 14 teams in divisions.
    Cut divisions to 8 teams and have extra divisions would greatly strengthen the competiitons.
    Think this is line up for next season. unless some club(s) move up to division 3 from gleeson/south j2 leagues
    Division 1
    Thomond, Newcastle West, Kilfeacle, Bandon, Richmond, Crosshaven, Abbeyfeale, Skibbereen, Clanwilliam, Waterpark, St Senans, Mallow, Clonakilty

    Division 2
    Kanturk, St Marys, Galbally, Kinsale, Fermoy, Charleville, Fethard, Cobh, Castleisland, Muskerry, Ballincollig, Old Christians, Thurles, Tralee, Dungarvan

    Division 3
    Youghal, Waterford City, Mitchelstown, Killarney, Ennis, Killorglin, Bantry Bay, Douglas-Carrigaline, Scarriff, Corca Dhuibhne, Dunmanway
    Why does Clonmel going up relegate Galbally? There's only 13 in Division 1 as you have it there. Are Ard Scoil Old Boys going into division 3? Could be regionalised at division 2 & 3 perhaps and you'd then be able to have all J2 clubs involved, Newport / Presentation for example

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  • ormond lad
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    Ive said it a lot but will say it again the junior leagues need to be revamped. Too many divisions and too little to play for for all too many teams with 13 and 14 teams in divisions.
    Cut divisions to 8 teams and have extra divisions would greatly strengthen the competiitons.
    Think this is line up for next season. unless some club(s) move up to division 3 from gleeson/south j2 leagues
    Division 1
    Thomond, Newcastle West, Kilfeacle, Bandon, Richmond, Crosshaven, Abbeyfeale, Skibbereen, Clanwilliam, Waterpark, St Senans, Mallow, Clonakilty

    Division 2
    Kanturk, St Marys, Galbally, Kinsale, Fermoy, Charleville, Fethard, Cobh, Castleisland, Muskerry, Ballincollig, Old Christians, Thurles, Tralee, Dungarvan

    Division 3
    Youghal, Waterford City, Mitchelstown, Killarney, Ennis, Killorglin, Bantry Bay, Douglas-Carrigaline, Scarriff, Corca Dhuibhne, Dunmanway

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  • ormond lad
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    Clonmel gone senior so Galbally relegated to division 2 as a result.

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  • ormond lad
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    Clonmel finished 2nd in round robin.
    Beat Connemara 31-21 in tipp, hammered 46-5 by Enniscorthy away and then beat Instonians 28-21 in Belfast
    Now play Seapoint in Dublin weekend after next

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  • Piquet
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    Thanks for that, OL.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by Piquet View Post
    Looking at the table, there now, it looks like Kanturk are on the verge of going down to J2.

    Weren't they on the verge of going up to the AIL a few years ago?
    They went up to AIL. Spent 3 seasons in bottom division of AIL 12th in 2B then 7th and 10th in 2C.
    7th in first season back junior and this happens regularly with clubs who go down/back down junior. Dont have players to build team back up as team that got club senior was once in generational.
    And its only junior league division2 its not like theyre going down to J2... which would be much worse

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  • Piquet
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    Looking at the table, there now, it looks like Kanturk are on the verge of going down to Div 2.

    Weren't they on the verge of going up to the AIL a few years ago?
    Last edited by Piquet; 17-March-2019, 21:03.

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  • ormond lad
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    Clonmel beat Bandon 17-7 to win league today

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  • Grace of God
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    For most junior players these days the junior cup does not hold the same sense of reverence that it once had. The main focus is on the league. Even at that a lot of teams are struggling to maintain numbers.

    It might be an idea to start looking at smaller division of maybe eight teams in each (play home and away - 14 games). Try look at a bit of regionalisation if possible with the top division not regionalised (best of the best)

    It may also have a benefit for Junior Cup as this might create games between teams that don't play each other that often due to regionalised division and create some novelty.

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  • ormond lad
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    Originally posted by donjuan View Post

    1.change time of year the junior cup is run off... this time of year is crunch time for plenty of teams, top and bottom. have early rounds of the junior cup completed before (regional cups like transfield and cork county cup can be played)
    2. give teams an option of entering the junior cup- if they think they do not need the extra games due to small squad, do not play...or knock out teams then give a walkover! ( this may already be the case) punish teams that do not fulfill fixtures- precedent set in the junior leagues if you do not complete a fixture you get docked points, same teams giving walkovers are completing leagues with no issue.... if clubs were to feel a knock on effect ( loss in ticket allocation/ loss of home advantage for next 2 years etc)

    I understand the constraints some clubs are under, friday night and saturday games are the way to go but referees and ground suitability are what limits a lot of clubs.
    does the branch or committee wait until its to late to modify?
    How early do you play early rounds of junior cup though?
    I think the leagues are a major issue with the season and structure and issues. Too many teams in divisions giving way more chance for teams with nothing to play for in league as cant get promoted/relegated.
    this then gets junior cup easier as you can seed junior cup even more so,
    I wouldnt always agree with loss in ticket/home advantage for not fielding in junior cup as often you can see senior second sides field in junior cup but not at all in latter points of seconds league
    Up to clubs to look for more friday/saturday games. relatively few games in north munster at least on saturdays with just AIL, gleeson league and school friendlies by and large as rest will be sunday.

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  • LimerickRugbyFan
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    A big thing is the scheduling, often some senior clubs are expected to field 4 teams in a weekend, 1XV 2XV 3XV and U20s, and then some weekends only one or two teams? Surely could be organised so that players aren't doubling up some weekends and then not playing other weekends.

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